This is what Evo had to say about it (albeit the one they tested had 255bhp and 273lb/ft)
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This is what Evo had to say about it (albeit the one they tested had 255bhp and 273lb/ft)
The tyres smoke in 2nd gear out of bends? I wouldn't call smoking the inside tyre at 30 mph handling the power at all!
In 2nd gear, you'd have to absolutely dump the clutch to smoke a tyre coming out of the bend in something like a 330. Even then it might not work! It would likely regain traction very quickly and then accelerate.
In 2nd gear, you'd have to absolutely dump the clutch to smoke a tyre coming out of the bend in something like a 330. Even then it might not work! It would likely regain traction very quickly and then accelerate.
Sorry, but did you read it at all? It mentions specifically that it is fine with a bit of modulation on your right foot.
Also, although it doesn't make as much power as the modded ST, the 330 with traction control turned off would break traction if you floored it in 2nd gear at 30-40MPH.
Christ, my 325 would be sideways, let alone a 330 with nearly 40BHP more.
Again, i think someone missed what was said earlier.
the THROTTLE isnt a ON/OFF switch.
a FWD car will understeer, a RWD will spin if driven in this mannor. Modulate the throttle and only give it power when you can and you will be fine. Its all about keeping within the traction circle of the tyre, and thats the same for RWD and FWD.
the THROTTLE isnt a ON/OFF switch.
a FWD car will understeer, a RWD will spin if driven in this mannor. Modulate the throttle and only give it power when you can and you will be fine. Its all about keeping within the traction circle of the tyre, and thats the same for RWD and FWD.
With a "bit of modulation"? If it can smoke the tyres it's more than a bit for it not to.
And sorry, flooring in 2nd gear at 30 break traction? There's a big difference between breaking traction and smoking tyres. A RWD car inherently has a lot more motive traction than a FWD car - there is no comparison. Breaking traction in the 330 mostly entailed some slip followed by traction again without any compensation.
I actually think the FWD camp is missing the point. If you fitted the ST with 175 wide tyres and no suspension, sure, it would be possible to drive it without breaking traction as "the throttle isn't an ON/OFF switch", but it would be relatively crap. I am repeating the fact that a FWD car with a shed load of power is not perfectly fine, relatively speaking. Again, a RWD car has more motive traction than a FWD car. It is not a coincidence that as cars get more powerful the drivetrains tend to be RWD or AWD.
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Not like you to generalise
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But they are
but people say its a terrible and that FWD sucks, and that <insert random number>bhp is too much power to put through front wheels etc etc.
You have to drive around these sort comings, doesnt make it terrible.
That's stock, put more power in the car and its not the same story.
I might know nothing about cars but i have driving experience. I have been driving legaly almost twice as long as you on the public roads and regularly attend a local track accompanying a trader friend in driving his multiple cars. It is very naive of you to think that i would drive like a "****" on public roads, i don't mean to be stereotypical but it's usally the ST's (RS Dreamers) that drive like "****'s" on the roads.
Yes, praised as the standard spec car but did they put more power to the front wheels and give more praise? The majority of road cars are set up to understeer as a rule. Up the bhp without any other modifications leads to show that the power has never and will never be used ie for show. On topic obviously you are missing my point, there is no point is increasing the power in a car if it is never going to be used or cannot be used propely.
What i drive and what i have driven in my experience are two different question's leading to support the fact that wasting money on estimated bhp figures and ruining the car that you stated was praise is therefore a total waste of money
Let's just agree to dissagree Mike. To OP, sorry but waste of money.
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As i say, driving on the roads and driving on the track are two different things, driving on the road is purly a necessity. Lol you sure are not going to get bored of the bright red recaro's are you
There is no irony here as i don't spend stupid money on remaping my FWD car.
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How do you assume this?
ST drivers are statistically some of the best drivers in the country, hence why upgrading to an ST has actually halved my insurance from my old VXR, despite the increased value and insurance group.
Can you define it being used properly? I have no issues getting the power down, I just need to understand (As with most cars) I can't just put my foot to the floor and expect to go unhindered.
wasting money on estimated bhp figures and ruining the car that you stated was praise is therefore a total waste of money
Its wasted in your opinion, but being able to drive my car every day, I disagree strongly, and it isn't just about power increase, its about the difference in power delivery that the remap provides.
Lol you sure are not going to get bored of the bright red recaro's are you
Probably.
Again, as for wasting money, the improved fuel economy and power delivery was worth the £200 I spent alone, the power is just a bonus.
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The general arguments against FWD here on OCUK seem to be about how undriveable the cars are and how "badly" they put down their power with additional torque steer and understeer comments thrown in for good measure. It's clear that a high percentage of the people that comment in such a way have no first hand experience of a high powered front wheel drive car which is a shame as it brings the forum down to a level that makes every thread a bit of a repetative drone. Add in the BMW fanboys which are overly biast towards ANY old slow RWD car and it's just down right boring.
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One quick Q for you, why as I quote:
hope the £400 was worth it just to show off some figures in a sig
Yet your sig quotes 180'ps'.
I've come to the conclusion that you are nothing but a troll and shall simply ignore you
While I agree that how bad FWD is exaggerated and having driven a 3.2l V6 FWD Brera I can say that had little to no issues putting power down.
However BMW fanboys are certainly not biast towards slow RWD cars and infact you'll find most BMW owners here suggest getting a Mondeo/Focus (ie a FWD car) over a 318 or similiar slow RWD BMW.
Most of the people here are petrolheads and there is no doubt that high powered cars with RWD put the power down better. Hence which M3's etc are RWD and not FWD.
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The guy who started the FWD debate is an ex Focus ST owner who doesnt drive a BMW
I do have personal experience of high power FWD cars though, do you?
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With respect, (no really, I'm interested in a civilized discussion
) I find that too much of a sweeping statement. Now, I am a realist and there is no doubt RWD has it's place...but... define "better". Is "better" getting round a track faster? Is better winning a sprint form a standing start? Is "better" experienced on B roads or in day to day driving even for dedicated petrol heads? Is "better" only experienced when we breach the limits of our cars? because frankly, I have driven "better" RWD cars that I would quite quickly trade for some of the FWD cars I have driven.