I'd agree with you if the schools had the ability to refuse to teach kids whose parents don't do there part adequately or who go against the good of the rest of the children of the school.
As they can't, then other sanctions have to be considered.
Schools are levying more 'holiday fines' on parents
- Thread starter Vanquish-Storm
- Start date
I'd agree with you if the schools had the ability to refuse to teach kids whose parents don't do there part adequately or who go against the good of the rest of the children of the school.
As they can't, then other sanctions have to be considered.
So it ok for parents to mess up their kids future? as long as the school could kick the kids out.
I see education laws as little different to physical abuse. they are there to protect the child.
You're not putting words in his "mouth".
"owning the children" sounds odd, I wouldn't have put it that way, however it's still a valid point.
Way to skirt round a direct question and put words into other peoples mouths.
Where did I or many people in here mention LOADS of term time?
If they want. If the child wants. If they feel its ok, who else should care? If they want to remove kids before exams in your silly example then if they want, but they would be idiots obviously.
I know kids that never went back after first year. Whooptie ******* do. Deal with it.
Yes I agree, of course they should be allowed. Because not everyone is the extreme examples all your arguments seem to consist of these days. We are talking about moderate examples, but I guess you'll skip that too..
It is clearly intervention when it is not needed or wanted, and a stealth tax.
This will be a bit ironic coming from me but you ain't have turned into a **** recently. I used to read your posts intently along with other notable posters, but your arguments are falling by the way side mate.
Luckily we don't base everything on how you see it then.
Missing a bit of school isn't detrimental to a kid's future unless they're incredibly stupid or have learning difficulties.
You're acting like you don't even know what school's like.
Majority of the lessons are simply a waste of time.
The fine is for unauthorised holidays. Thus they have already had time off or would miss critical periods.
The state. All kids should have a right to education regardless of how stupid there parents are.
How am I putting words in your mouth, or skipping questions.
Fortunately we do under law. Which is why they are fined. we are talking about unauthorised holidays and they are unauthorised for a reason.
or parents trying to taking kids out at critical times or for prolonged periods. We are not talking about normal lessons. you can easily get authorised holidays. We are talking about the unauthorised ones.
Last edited:
How is it unathorised? Where is the contract the child signed promising attendance, 100% with no leave?
Who deemed education boards to hold more ownership of the child than its birth parents?
Can't answer this can you?
Taking kids out of school for a holiday = same as physical abuse.
You have no argument if you're going to make such utterly outrageous claims.
This is something I've noticed a lot lately.
He purposefully uses these extremes to enforce his argument as he knows full well it'd fall apart if he didn't cling so intently to the extremes.
It is a right.
A right they can refuse.
It is not a contracted obligation, so stop using unathorised. <--- That is what you were not answering, read above again you may have missed it.. my whole argument.
Soldato
- Joined
- 15 Nov 2008
- Posts
- 5,060
- Location
- In the ether
I think it's a little more than that. Firstly, it's a bad example to set to your children, secondly you don't actually know what it is they're going to miss (in most circumstances) and lastly it may have a detrimental effect on others (if the teacher has to go over certain things again because your brat has missed a few classes to go fly off somewhere).
I'd say it's "okay" if you genuinly can't afford to travel during scheduled holidays or there is some other type of serious issue that forces you to do so. Otherwise you're just being a spanner by taking your child out of school for no good reason.
UK law and yes schools do have contracts and you parents sign them and yes things like holiday are included. As well as things like dress code and behaviour.
I didn't say they are the same thing. They are both deteremtal to a child as such are both covered by UK law.
They are a end of the line option if you are a poor parent / trouble child.. these are not what we are talking about anyway. We are talking about going skiing for a week, or a family funeral. Not mass truancy.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents...velopment/YourChildsWelfareAtSchool/DG_066966
Please stop and read.
"Your responsibilities as a parent
By law, all children of compulsory school age (5 to 16) must receive a suitable full-time education. As a parent, you have a legal responsibility to make sure this happens - either by registering your child at a school or by making other arrangements to give them a suitable, full-time education. Once your child is registered at a school, you are legally responsible for making sure they attend regularly.
If they do not, you will be contacted by your child’s school or the local authority. Local authorities have a duty to step in if they believe a child is not getting the education required by law, either at home or at school.
If your child is missing school, you may be visited by a member of the Education Welfare Service. They will talk to you about your child’s attendance problems.
A child becomes of compulsory school age when they reach the age of five and, where a parent has elected to register their child at school, they must start school in the term following their fifth birthday. A child continues to be of compulsory school age until the last Friday in June in the school year that they reach the age of 16."
"Support on school attendance
If you’re having trouble getting your child to go to school, the school and local authority can support you in several ways. One option they may suggest is a parenting contract.
Parenting contracts are a form of support and not a punishment - they are intended to help you and the school or local authority to work together to improve your child’s attendance.
Parenting contracts are voluntary. You should be aware, however, that if your child is missing school regularly and you refuse to agree to a contract - or do not keep to its terms - this can be used as evidence if the local authority decides to prosecute you.
To find out more about the forms of support available - including parenting contracts - see ‘School attendance, absence and your child’."
Contracts are not the norm, as you would like to mislead.. with almost all your arguments going the same way.
Last edited:
You may not have said they're the same thing explicitly, however, to even relate them to eachother demonstrates the intention to portray that they're some what alike.
I'd disagree, if only because of the poor quality of education in this country suggests that this really isn't the case.
With regards to parental choice vs their responsibility for the child, there has to be a balance somewhere, some of the responsibility for the child's behaviour and attendence has to be the responsibility of the parents, and currently it is not. My view is not just related to unauthorised holidays.
We are not talking about parents taking kids out for short periods. That is allowed.
Associate
- Joined
- 22 May 2003
- Posts
- 492
- Location
- Derby
Holidays during term time are not the end of the world for children. They never did me or 100 others any harm. If a child is so behind that a week or two without 'education' will forever stunt them, i would look at all the other problems.
The thread is entitled holiday fines. Not i've left school aged 8 fines.
They could and should do it every year if they wish, are you going to fine the parents of stupid children because they are only going to learn half as much as a term-holiday kid who is smart?
Last edited:
yes and they are unauthorised for a reason. They have already had time off from school or missing critical times.
My opinion on school, for the most part it's just conditioning you for life as an adult.
The whole "OBEY YOUR SUPERIORS WITHOUT QUESTION".
All the "yes sir, no sir" crap and so on. The school I was at, it was blatantly obvious that this was the head teacher's agenda, it didn't help that he actually said it in the words of "I don't care what grades you get when you leave here, I don't even care if you don't get any, you just need to leave with respect and I'll be happy".
Through my days at school, I know I wouldn't have missed much even if I'd missed 50% of the lessons there. It was all junk nonsense for the most part, too much repetition.
I wouldn't agree that it'd set a bad example for the children as I think children need to have a healthy perspective of all aspects of life, and school has way too much importance placed up on it.
I don't mean they shouldn't take school seriously, not at all, but simply that it's not healthy for kids to take school as serious as they're told to.
All the grief a lot of kids go through with stress over exams and such is an issue related to this for example.