GFs Religion

[Rabid Wolf]

The most important question here is who the hell goes to Preston?

I would rather go to hell naked smeared in lighter fluid.

The secondary issue is her religion

A lot of Mormons (Latter Day Saint or American Cult as i call them ) go there as it's their main base in the UK or something like that.

 

[Raikiri]

1). Where did I insult the mother?

2). I apologise for getting annoyed at someone trying to ram there own opinions down someones throat and whilst doing it offend around 2billion people . . .

1. Er, think about what you posted. Son of a *****...

2. He didn't, all he done was say what his opinion is; that Christianity is crap (i.e. false). By definition you're doing the same to 5 billion people by believing in Christianity.

 

[Gaidin109]

It's not like people break the rules with the intent to ask forgiveness later. However, we all make mistakes, or you rationalise it, or you just decide to do what you want. The point is that when you realise that you were wrong, you ask forgiveness.

It's not like you sit there and think "I'll do this, but it's OK, because I can ask forgiveness later". It doesn't really happen like that.

Did you think Christians lived perfect lives? Of course we don't. The point is that we acknowledge that we aren't perfect and can't get into heaven without forgiveness, which is found in Jesus.

Wouldn't it be better if we found forgiveness in each other, rather than a religious leader that died a couple of thousand years ago allegedly?

I can understand someone following the teaching of Jesus, but the actual deitification of him I find hard to comprehend, especially from someone as obviously educated and rational as yourself.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Wouldn't it be better if we found forgiveness in each other, rather than a religious leader that died a couple of thousand years ago allegedly?

I can understand someone following the teaching of Jesus, but the actual deitification of him I find hard to comprehend, especially from someone as obviously educated and rational as yourself.

The forgiveness of others is right and good, but it's not forgiveness from God, and you can't be in his presence if you're tainted with sin...

Hence the need to get his forgiveness as well.

 

[Tefal]

1). Where did I insult the mother?

You do know what SOAB means don't you?

Unless he's the wolfman that's pretty insulting to his mother.

2). I apologise for getting annoyed at someone trying to ram there own opinions down someones throat and whilst doing it offend around 2billion people . . .

He annoys you, you annoy people and claim people will suffer for all eternity for being gay or not believing in some random god.


On the scale of things you're worse.

 

[Gaidin109]

The forgiveness of others is right and good, but it's not forgiveness from God, and you can't be in his presence if you're tainted with sin...

Hence the need to get his forgiveness as well.

Why cant you be tainted with sin to be in his presence, this is what I dont understand. If God is omnipotent, then he would know what your moral outlook is, thus forgiveness wouldn't be required from a temporal institution such as a church.

How do you personally marry up the spiritual part of your faith with the physical part of modern knowledge. I'm not trying to be controversial here, I struggle with this concept of divinity versus science quite a lot.

 

[No1newts]

A lot of Mormons (Latter Day Saint or American Cult as i call them ) go there as it's their main base in the UK or something like that.

They all go to Chorley, I am assured there is a great difference. A lot more sheep in Chorley apparently. Also a lot more impressionable women who are a lot like sheep, not that I am wishing to offend the sheep

 

[James J]

Ever seen the Wickerman? good luck!

lmao my first thoughts also

 

[whitecrook]

lol settleddown

 

[Heofz]

Sorry for the double post and being a bit controversial here, but this is what I distrust somewhat about all religion, the idea that you are being good or looking for forgivness to 'get into heaven'. Why can you not just recognise the morally right and just, the nice thing to do, the more humane response etc. Why must there be this ultimate bribe of 'if you behave you can go to heaven'? Thanks all the same but I think I'll just try my best to be a good human being, not for reward but because it is the right thing to do.

No huge rant or argument intended here, just an observation which is only my opinion.

Yep, this is the core fallacy of "morality" in religions. People "do the right thing", sure, but it is for selfish reasons; they want to get into "heaven". It is hypocrisy at its finest, in my opinion.

Following the "wise words of our dear lord", obeying "the 10 commandments", etc, not for the sake of humanity, but purely out of self interest, so the big invisible man in the sky will see how much of a "good person" you are and give you brownie points, culminating in a paradise afterlife.

Preaching "the bible teaches you to be good", while at the same time preaching "if you don't do what the bible says you are doomed to burn in hell forever", then expecting "being good" to be anything other than the product of fear is completely absurd. People who justify organised religion by suggesting that humans cannot be moral without it are an insult to humanity as a whole, and fill me with disgust.

Personally, I believe anyone who follows organised theist religion of any kind is weak willed and moronic. Religion is man made and is simply a tool used to control people through fear and brainwashing. The only reason it is tolerated is because it has been around for so long. Nobody really takes the "Jedi" religion seriously, but in 2000 years, people might speak of yoda like he really existed. The story of the star wars saga will be adopted to become their "true holy word of yoda". Sounds crazy right? Well when you break it down, the bible isn't any different.

Also, if there's one thing I can't stand, it is talking to somebody face to face, where they seem like a normal person, then suddenly they bring up God and Jesus, presuming I'm a "believer", putting me in an awkward position where I feel I have to just nod politely and say nothing. I feel like telling them to shut their moronic mouths and keep their tooth fairy beliefs to themselves, but nay, society dictates I must tolerate them.

Anyways, sorry for rant.

 

[cactuscake]

I'd love you to tell us all how it is not a true story? Proof?

Not looking for an argument, I just find this picture funny (and somewhat appropriate).

 

[starfighter]

get out while you still can.

 

[Hoodlum]

It seriously sounds like she is in a cult.

This.

 

[Beansprout]

Afraid it's only downhill from here, it's shocking that she hasn't told you so either a) get out or b) get her out, neither will be easy.

My ex was also religious and her family uber-religious, we simply didn't get on because she never believed anything "good" was because of her/my effort, but yet everything "bad" was directly, obviously and blatantly her or my fault. Whatever love.

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[Millionfish]

Yep, this is the core fallacy of "morality" in religions. People "do the right thing", sure, but it is for selfish reasons; they want to get into "heaven". It is hypocrisy at its finest, in my opinion.

Following the "wise words of our dear lord", obeying "the 10 commandments", etc, not for the sake of humanity, but purely out of self interest, so the big invisible man in the sky will see how much of a "good person" you are and give you brownie points, culminating in a paradise afterlife.

Preaching "the bible teaches you to be good", while at the same time preaching "if you don't do what the bible says you are doomed to burn in hell forever", then expecting "being good" to be anything other than the product of fear is completely absurd. People who justify organised religion by suggesting that humans cannot be moral without it are an insult to humanity as a whole, and fill me with disgust.

Personally, I believe anyone who follows organised theist religion of any kind is weak willed and moronic. Religion is man made and is simply a tool used to control people through fear and brainwashing. The only reason it is tolerated is because it has been around for so long. Nobody really takes the "Jedi" religion seriously, but in 2000 years, people might speak of yoda like he really existed. The story of the star wars saga will be adopted to become their "true holy word of yoda". Sounds crazy right? Well when you break it down, the bible isn't any different.

Also, if there's one thing I can't stand, it is talking to somebody face to face, where they seem like a normal person, then suddenly they bring up God and Jesus, presuming I'm a "believer", putting me in an awkward position where I feel I have to just nod politely and say nothing. I feel like telling them to shut their moronic mouths and keep their tooth fairy beliefs to themselves, but nay, society dictates I must tolerate them.

Anyways, sorry for rant.

The Atheists must reject Christiаnity as well as Islam. Alas, for them, Islаm responds to their rejection by ignoring them, whereas Christianity tends to retreаt before them. And a weakened church lаces a vacuum into which Islam can move. Result? The growing power of Islаm in our society, our culture, our government, our political parties and our schools, so that an essentially Atheist stаte pays increasing obeisance to Islam. The new Atheists, by аttacking Christianity, are simply clearing а space for Islam to establish itself in the space they have swept and gаrnished

 

[Tefal]

The Atheists must reject Christiаnity as well as Islam. Alas, for them, Islаm responds to their rejection by ignoring them, whereas Christianity tends to retreаt before them. And a weakened church lаces a vacuum into which Islam can move. Result? The growing power of Islаm in our society, our culture, our government, our political parties and our schools, so that an essentially Atheist stаte pays increasing obeisance to Islam. The new Atheists, by аttacking Christianity, are simply clearing а space for Islam to establish itself in the space they have swept and gаrnished

And then in time the devout will be corrupted once more by our deliciously decadent ways and the cycle will begin again, maybe this time perhaps in a rather lovely circle we'll come back to paganism.

 

[Casdawer]

Hmm, i have a similar problem but no way near as bad.

My GF is Catholic and so is her Mum and her Mum's side, her Dad fortunately was a Catholic but gave up on Religion.

Now my GF is not a full on Catholic and i'm not worried about her, it's her family. I'm hoping they will just let us choose what we want to do and not try and force anything on me i.e. convert me.

I don't want to get married in a Church for obvious reasons, but I'm willing to make the sacrifice to be with her even though it goes against everything i believe in.

What i'm trying to say is - ignore what her family wants, if she says that she wants to be with you, that should be enough. Yea, she didn't tell you straight away but she must have had her reasons not to.

Thanks,

Cas.

 

[Millionfish]

I don't want to get married in a Church for obvious reasons,

You will melt?

 

[Naffa]

Nothing making nothing, then nothing making something makes more sense

Oh for the love of God, please no.... This logic is so fallible it's not even funny.

The age old argument of "how can something be created be created by nothing?" Ok, sir, how did your beloved God come into existence then? No need to answer of course, the question answers itself.

 

[Millionfish]

No need to answer of course

Let me decide that. Nothing can only create nothing. Energy is eternal. The first lаw of thermodynamics comfirms that. The law states: "energy cannot be created or destroyed" You also can't claim this energy always existed in the known universe because science has proven that the universe didn't аlways exist. The universe and time by Stephen Hawking. This energy source that was present before the universe began and have power beyond anything we can begin to imagine. Considering it had to trаnsfer it's energy unto the trillions of stars and billions of galaxies.

A separаte energy source that exists outside of the universe had to have supplied it's energy onto the universe (because we know the universe didn't always exist) It's not unreasonable to assume this enormous energy was the creator God.

We reasonably have two options to determine what wаs this powerful always existing energy. It could be a dumb, unconscious, and vague energy source (However this is extremely illogical considering that we can observe complexity, order and design throughout the universe.) The most logical answer would be that an intelligent mind constructed, or a God.