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I just wondering why is ocuk technicians still doing Arctic Silver 5 heatsink compound professionally hand installed by our technicians on all system build (is there any option choice to be added like Arctic Cooling MX-3 instead of Arctic Silver 5)
 
Might be something to do with updating all the different product specs!!!

I'm sure that if you specify MX-3 to the sales guys they would be happy to oblige.

But, how are going to tell the difference? Lick test or something?....lol :)
 
We use AS5 because even though it is fairly old, it still does a really good job.

If you want us to put a different thermal paste on, just give our sales crew a ring and they will put it on the build for you :)
 
it still does a really good job.

But not as good as other products available. MX-3, for example.

I'm not having a pop but you haven't actually answered the OP's question of why OcUK use AS5 when MX-3 is proven to be more effective (at least I think that is what the OP was trying to ask? I am certainly interested anyway).

I am really struggling to find a credible defence/explanation for OcUK on this one other than that they have a massive surplus of AS5 stock - perhaps due to over-ambitious predicted sales figures (in that case, sack the purchasing dept.), or is it (it can't be, can it?) that MX-3 is slightly more expensive than AS5?

The latter, as a reason, would be nothing short of a scandal because the price difference between the amounts used on a single build must be a few pence? It is certainly a fraction of 1% of the the entire cost of these machines. Perhaps though it is for this, and similar acts of extreme frugality that has resulted in Spie owing those Ferraris? I suppose I should be impressed with his extraordinarily scrooge-like behaviours.

Surely if OcUK want to maintain/build it's reputation then the very the least that they can do for customers who are spending 100s if not 1000s of £££s on machines, expecting that they be top-notch, is to use the best materials available to them to actually make them so?

Knowing how businesses tend to operate i.e. profit/bottom-line is everything, dog-eat-dog world etc. It just seems likely that this is an exercise in extreme penny-pinching that will ironically have an ultimately negative long-term impact to OcUK's reputation through word-of-mouth, reviews, referrals etc. This will therefore see a thinning of those oh-so precious finances, *EEK*!

Ask yourself: Which scenario would you rather see from a business perspective? The one described above which results in a permanently damaged reputation and falling sales - I have visions of the OcUK mods waiting in lines at soup kitchens - aww, bless. Or, would you rather a more upbeat scenario (where the mods get to stay in their own homes), one in which OcUK's reputation grows positively due to the increased customer satisfaction from people knowing they are being sold products that are built to the highest specification, using the best materials? Of course you would rather this - it was a stupidly rhetorical question! We all want this because it would undoubtedly lead to increased sales, and therefore profits - dwarfing the current AS5/MX-3 money saving fiasco (how much does it save anyway, £200per annum? If not less?) - Spie could then make us all feel inadequate again by buying a shiny new car or 5.

I know which I would choose....despite the supercar inferiority complex that would ensue.

This is all hypothetical and conjecture, you understand. However, until people are given a valid reason for the clear compromise in quality of thermal paste used to build machines that are advertised as "the pinnacle of performance", which are built using "only the highest quality components ensuring the highest levels of reliability", then assumptions will unfortunately be made.

It's win-win for everyone if corners aren't cut. The customer is happy, and the bottom-line remains healthy, FACT! Insanity lies t'other way - You've been warned!

Spie, if you are reading this then before you ask - Yes, I accept your offer and will become your Chief Financial Strategist/Vice-President (in charge of thermal paste).
 
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I still use AS5 just cos I still have quite a lot left, and I cant justify throwing my AS5 away just cos there's some newer stuff available, cos its slightly better(non conductive)

Anyway isnt AS5 easier to spread and manage?
 
maybe it's because that even though there are better performing compounds out now, its still the most reputable and well respected to the masses ?
 
thermal paste is thermal paste

AS5 is a good quality product, its cheap and does the job

for people who are buying a prebuilt system, it is 100% better than the stock cooler thermal paste applied by most box shifters
 
As much as I like MX-3, I nearly gave up on the stuff when I first tried it because it's an absolute nightmare to apply, if I was building PC's for a company like OcUK all day long, I'd want to use a decent TIM that is a doddle to work with, AS5 is really good quality stuff, and it's also a whole lot easier to apply than MX-3 as well.

I really don't understand what that big rant was all about ejr22... :confused:
 
I really don't understand what that big rant was all about ejr22... :confused:

Just an excuse to practice my typing/stern letter writing skills really - I'm considering a career change and becoming a critic - everyone loves a critic.

Not a literal piece to be taken too seriously (there is a semi-serious point in there somewhere though) - thought it was obvious? Sorry for confusing you.
 
As much as I like MX-3, I nearly gave up on the stuff when I first tried it because it's an absolute nightmare to apply, if I was building PC's for a company like OcUK all day long, I'd want to use a decent TIM that is a doddle to work with, AS5 is really good quality stuff, and it's also a whole lot easier to apply than MX-3 as well.

I really don't understand what that big rant was all about ejr22... :confused:

That reason + availability.

We need a paste we are going to be able to keep in stock all the time, MX-3 is not one of those pastes on the quantity we would use.

On our Overclocked Bundles you will notice we use a combination of MX-3, MX-2, Silver and Matrix depending on the chip and heatsink.

We do put thought into our systems, but sometimes when the system is 100% rock solid stable and working perfectly for 1500 units, why change to a paste that could cause issues 12 months down the line, hold up the customer's PC due to stock availability (on thermal compound....) and one that is a pain to apply and remove when we need to change chips or heatsinks.

Depending on the review you read, AS5 still tops the charts or comes very close even against the latest competition. We do not push our systems to the very edge so it is overall the best product for the customer when all things are considered. :)

Also as a side note, we have never had an issue in 5 years using AS5, but we have had issues with MX-3 in customers hands on bundles.

In reference to the reference to cost, it hasn't even come into the equation due to being such a cheap part of all the builds that using any of the types even liquid metal would not alter the margins noticeably.
 
On our Overclocked Bundles you will notice we use a combination of MX-3, MX-2, Silver and Matrix depending on the chip and heatsink.

you see a mixture depending on how rjkoneill is feeling when he is developing the bundles and what he gets best results with

for example, excessive use of AS5 causes him to speak in the third person
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when arctic silver cures, it works VERY VERY well,

bulldog, chances are you have never given AS5 a chance to cure as you seem to have a new heatsink on a weekly basis :p
 
ppl say you shouldnt use AS5 on gpus cos if u get it on the connective pins and whatever around the gpu, its buggered cos AS5 is conductive. I found that info out after I had reseated the 6800GT heatsink using AS5,opps.. But it was fine and it knocked a good 10+c off the gpu.

If you use AS5 carefully and spread it as thinly as poss, removing all the excess, you can use it on anything
 
ppl say you shouldnt use AS5 on gpus cos if u get it on the connective pins and whatever around the gpu, its buggered cos AS5 is conductive. I found that info out after I had reseated the 6800GT heatsink using AS5,opps.. But it was fine and it knocked a good 10+c off the gpu.

If you use AS5 carefully and spread it as thinly as poss, removing all the excess, you can use it on anything

Which surprisingly the staff at OcUK can manage without much effort. :p

Curing time for AS5 is also around 150+ hours, most tests where it performs well do not allow for curing time. MX-3 has no such curing time.

Still use AS5 on my build at home and it performs better than any compound that has come through OcUK's doors. Big fan of Matrix however.

On a side note I would never use MX-2 or MX-3 on my own rig. :)
 
You might as well demand all stock fans be ripped out and to specify "insert supposed best performance brand" fans for all the difference it's going to make.
 
rjkoneill endorses and uses Gelid Extreme Thermal Paste

because it 1million better than AS3 Thermal Interface Material
 

You have linked to review produced in June 2009, a month before MX-3 was even released.

Thus, you sir must unfortunately receive -5 points for observation - sorry to have to be the one to break, what I imagine is quite distressing news to you. There is some good news though! You can award yourself a massive +20 points towards your hurriedly-posting-thinking-you've-got-an-argument-winning-post-without-researching-properly score - you really are breaking new ground in this competitive field? My congratulations & commiserations go out to you in equal measure!
 
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