Its true that they have the numbers. This was true in 82 as well but their Air Force has the same problem today as they did in 82 - Argentina is too far away and so their planes can only ever enter Falklands Air Space for a short time. Its why they never achieved air superiority in 82.
Argentina imposes shipping rules to the falklands.
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Its true that they have the numbers. This was true in 82 as well but their Air Force has the same problem today as they did in 82 - Argentina is too far away and so their planes can only ever enter Falklands Air Space for a short time. Its why they never achieved air superiority in 82.
We've got.. what.. 150 Tridents that Gordon Brown wants to get rid of. Perfect chance. That should even the odds a bit. And it'd do wonders for our World Cup hopes too
[edit] have I really just condoned a nuclear strike to aid a football team?
Too [insert lame excuse] to research it up but didn't the argies have a huge hissy fit when we accidentally shipped a nuclear wossit down there during the war?We've got.. what.. 150 Tridents that Gordon Brown wants to get rid of. Perfect chance. That should even the odds a bit. And it'd do wonders for our World Cup hopes too
[edit] have I really just condoned a nuclear strike to aid a football team?
It got hauled back again but the Argentinians were very upset about it when they found out iirc.
err no lol we tried that with the japs in ww2 by sending 2 cap ships (prince of wales and repulse) over there no ship had ever been sunk at sea by airpower that soon changed!
They'll be too vaporised to care if we actually used it though
And they probably would have another fit if we armed a Vanguard and shipped it down there but that's the entire point of having them
In 82 everyman and his dog outside the UK said it was virtually impossible to remove Argentina from the Falklands once entrenched, we had a very tired and poorly equiped navy in real terms with missile systems that we far from perfect (same old same old) and an air arm that was ill equipped until the US gave us access to the latest Sidewinder. We had no real deterrent to the Exocet, as was shown and we lucky that Argentina had some bad luck and we had subs that pretty much put their Navy out of the game.
Today, putting present comitments to one side, we are better equipped in quality terms and more experienced. I would expect a couple of subs to be swimming around off the coast of Argentina right now, just watching stuff. Argentina is not that much better off than it was in 82 and we have better protection, small though it is, than we had in 82. Though 4 Eurofighters is hardly an air arm, if they get up in time, which they would I'd expect running out of missiles and bullets to be the main issue as the Argentinian air force would again be at the limits of its range to get over the islands with fast jets and still doesn't have much in the way of air to air refueling ability.
Posturing, but back in 82 it did make the news exciting for this school boy!
Today, putting present comitments to one side, we are better equipped in quality terms and more experienced. I would expect a couple of subs to be swimming around off the coast of Argentina right now, just watching stuff. Argentina is not that much better off than it was in 82 and we have better protection, small though it is, than we had in 82. Though 4 Eurofighters is hardly an air arm, if they get up in time, which they would I'd expect running out of missiles and bullets to be the main issue as the Argentinian air force would again be at the limits of its range to get over the islands with fast jets and still doesn't have much in the way of air to air refueling ability.
Posturing, but back in 82 it did make the news exciting for this school boy!
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Logistics play a huge role of importance when trying to take over an island.
If your slow trundling ships aren't being sunk by a number of methods (Sub/surface to surface missle/Air/Land emplacements, it's the lack of paradrop ability if you're even able to get many planes to carry enough troops to make a spits difference before they get blasted out of the sky.
You can't simply say "oh they have more men it's an automatic win".
You have to get them there first!
In today's wide array of weaponry it's a hard task, most battles these days have bordering member countries or large land masses to set up forward bases, you can't do that here.
Edit: Doesn't stop them doing a mass of bombing runs on targets, too many to take out in time.
But that would cause a lot more mess in return. You bombs us, we bomb you.
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They've got 300 miles to get there, we've got like 8000 so that's not a great way of looking at it
Last time they invaded no one expected it, we were simply not prepared and our defences of the islands were, er, a group of marines and so SLR 762's and a few hand grenades. That allowed them time to mass troops and deliver them. This time if we get a sniff we would have subs waiting for troop carriers and Eurofighters awaiting Herc's and those that got through would be greeted by surface to air missiles and 500 troops embedded with armour.
They had it easy last time, they would have it less easy this time around.
They had it easy last time, they would have it less easy this time around.
I do hope so, nothing increases your chances of winning an election like bombing the hell out of the Argies
They've got 300 miles to get there, we've got like 8000 so that's not a great way of looking at it
Remember who's already in control of the area and ready to defend it?
With what's going on now, hightened interest.
It's much easier to bring in something on an island you already have power on, than not.
Perfectly logical way to look at it
Argentina has 71,800 troops, what's 500 going to do?
It's not that simple there's about 450 miles of water to cross and we'll probably have subs in the region.
I don't see how they could possibly win when we have such overwhelming sea and air superiority.
We may have air superiority for a day after which I strongly suspect we would be out of missiles at which point the argentine navy and airforce have free range to bring in the troops. The only hope would be that we already had an attack sub stationed in the area to discourage them but this is often not the case as we only have a limited fleet.
The war itself would take on a very different complexion as once they had taken the island they would have access to a decent run way that is long enough to operate there jets giving them imediate air superiority over the islands and we no longer have the long range bombing capability to destroy it so again we would be relying on an attack sub with cruise missiles.
The major challenge we would face would be re-taking the island, last time we pinched a significant number of merchant ships to transport our troops and supplies, we could only do this as they operated under UK flags. The UK merchant fleet is now tiny and comendering any ship flying under the flag of a different nation is deemed piracy.
We also only have two active carriers one of wich is in refit the other is in the gulf, the delay in getting a task force together and ready for sea would be huge alowing the argentines to massively reinforce the islands.
The only way we could dislodge them should they wish to take the islands would be with even more US help than last time.
The war itself would take on a very different complexion as once they had taken the island they would have access to a decent run way that is long enough to operate there jets giving them imediate air superiority over the islands and we no longer have the long range bombing capability to destroy it so again we would be relying on an attack sub with cruise missiles.
The major challenge we would face would be re-taking the island, last time we pinched a significant number of merchant ships to transport our troops and supplies, we could only do this as they operated under UK flags. The UK merchant fleet is now tiny and comendering any ship flying under the flag of a different nation is deemed piracy.
We also only have two active carriers one of wich is in refit the other is in the gulf, the delay in getting a task force together and ready for sea would be huge alowing the argentines to massively reinforce the islands.
The only way we could dislodge them should they wish to take the islands would be with even more US help than last time.