Poll: What is your religion?

[Touchstone]

Agnosticism is sitting on the fence only in that you're not taking a position on an untestable hypothesis - we have no test for (a) god so how can we state with certainty whether they do or do not exist?

If you want to believe that no god exists (i.e. you're an atheist) then that's fine but it's a position of faith, very similar to the point of believing in a god. However let's be clear on this there is absolutely nothing wrong with having faith in something or in nothing, it's just that a lot of atheists seem determined to claim that their position does not rely on faith and that they are somehow different from those who believe in a religion.

its not a posistion of faith at all. its more like statistics.
as for faith i do actually view it as a negative, it stops you from really truly looking at the world, because you immeadiatley apply something to it (however you believe in god).
aethism means that you view the world with no prejudice, nothing is there until proven otherwise

 

[_dogma_]

It depends, do you believe there is nothing or do you just not believe in anything? It sounds like semantics but it's an important distinction if you want to classify yourself correctly - it may not however be important in any real sense.

If you believe that there is no god then you'd be an atheist (weak or strong), if you take the stance that you don't know then you would be better described as an agnostic.

I believe and hope that there is nothing. I would love nothing more than the thing that happens after death is just nothing-ness. I don't want to be floating on a cloud or whatever. If there is such thing as hell it would be right here and now on earth.

Sounds a little emo but not meant to be, honest

 

[Tefal]

all you have to do is look at quantum physics! that makes no sense at all but still try to understand it

quantum physics does make sense though, that;s why we ere able to come u with a hypothesis and then a test to check weather it was true or not.


With religion we can come up with the hypothesis (god does or does not exist) but we cannot prove it there is no experiment so atm it's not within sciences realm it's not event theoretical as no one can provide a good sound theroey.

basically it's philosophy/theology and nothing to do with science.

 

[Touchstone]

sounds extremley emo!

 

[Tefal]

I believe and hope that there is nothing. I would love nothing more than the thing that happens after death is just nothing-ness. I don't want to be floating on a cloud or whatever. If there is such thing as hell it would be right here and now on earth.

Sounds a little emo but not meant to be, honest

atheist then.

If there is such thing as hell it would be right here and now on earth.

If there was a heaven it would be right here and now on earth.

We have no paradise , no heaven or hell so we must make this life, this rock, into whichever we desire.

 

[^TANK^]

Couldn't vote no Satanism choice.

 

[Tefal]

its not a posistion of faith at all. its more like statistics.

So is Russian roulette

 

[Makunouchi]

I just popped in to say lol.

 

[Tefal]

Couldn't vote no Satanism choice.

True Satanism or the Goth bs Satanism that people spout these days?

 

[Touchstone]

quantum physics does make sense though, that;s why we ere able to come u with a hypothesis and then a test to check weather it was true or not.


With religion we can come up with the hypothesis (god does or does not exist) but we cannot prove it there is no experiment so atm it's not within sciences realm it's not event theoretical as no one can provide a good sound theroey.

basically it's philosophy/theology and nothing to do with science.

one of the best quotes ever. if you think you understand quantum physics you dont understand quantum physics.
we dont understand quantum physics as much as we have formulae that work for it, if we understood it we wouldnt need it at all! it would fit with relativity!
once again you cannot disprove a negative. there is no theory or experiment becuase there is nothign there.

 

[Chris1712]

For myself I'm an apathetic agnostic, I don't know if there is a god and don't much care - until and unless a god impacts on my life in some discernable way the question is moot except as a point of interest in debates from time to time.

This. I don't flat out believe there is no god/deities, nor do I believe there are. Unless there's proof either way, I don't really care.

 

[Touchstone]

So is Russian roulette

damn striaght!
except if im wrong nothign changes, a loving god would judge me based on how ive lived my life and not on wether i believed in him.

ps actually if youve got a well oiled gun russian roulette is much less than 1 in 6, (wouldnt catch me playing it though)
also theres a darwin award for a guy who played russian roulette with a semi automatic, 100% chance of death yay!

 

[Tefal]

one of the best quotes ever. if you think you understand quantum physics you dont understand quantum physics.

I never said we understood it in it's entirety but it does make sense and was predicted before it's discovery.

we dont understand quantum physics as much as we have formulae that work for it, if we understood it we wouldnt need it at all! it would fit with relativity!

Same could be said for Newtonian physics.

we had formula that worked and predicted accurate results then we found that it was not how it really worked

once again you cannot disprove a negative. there is no theory or experiment becuase there is nothign there.

But you've just asserted a negative then

becuase there is nothign there

how can you say that for certain without proof?

All you've done is say the same as religious people when they say there definitely is a god.

 

[Touchstone]

This. I don't flat out believe there is no god/deities, nor do I believe there are. Unless there's proof either way, I don't really care.

again id classify that as an aethist really.

 

[Tefal]

again id classify that as an aethist really.

Then you'd be wrong.


Atheism is the belief there are no deities.


saying someone who doesn't know if there is a god is an atheist is like me saying you're a Muslim.

 

[Tefal]

damn striaght!
except if im wrong nothign changes, a loving god would judge me based on how ive lived my life and not on wether i believed in him.

Why on earth do you think a god would be loving when all historical evidence is to the contrary?

More to the point why do you think a god means there is an afterlife?

ps actually if youve got a well oiled gun russian roulette is much less than 1 in 6,

You don't re spin after every trigger pull iirc.
So it quickly goes from 1/6 to 1/5 1/4/ etc

 

[semi-pro waster]

ill go with quoting the impossible to disprove a negative, someones put up the flying spaghetti monster. you cant prove hes not there, but life suggests hes probably not.
as to the science not being able to deal with it, thats such crap (without sounding like im flaming). why cant sciene deal with it?
if god did exist then he would become a part of tangible science, just like if something is proved to be of medical benift it becomes medicine.
even if we science cannot explain it it still struggles to understand it, all you have to do is look at quantum physics! that makes no sense at all but still try to understand it

Science can't deal with god because the question of a god is not one that science was ever intended to answer. Science is a predictive model based on observed evidence - I'll see if I can put this a bit differently. It makes precisely no odds to science whether mavity for instance is caused by the mass of objects or whether it's millions of leprechauns all exerting their special powers on pulling objects towards them - provided the results remain consistent then science effectively says "don't give a stuff". It doesn't matter to the results and sciences effectiveness as a predictively accurate tool - this is usually the part where someone misquotes Occam's Razor in support of science.

Why does a god have to be a part of tangible science?

its not a posistion of faith at all. its more like statistics.
as for faith i do actually view it as a negative, it stops you from really truly looking at the world, because you immeadiatley apply something to it (however you believe in god).
aethism means that you view the world with no prejudice, nothing is there until proven otherwise

It is a position of faith - you're making a definite statement on an untestable hypothesis.

Your last sentence is contradictory, if you've got no prejudice then you don't take a stance on something until you've heard the evidence. Personally I don't believe in any religion that I've yet heard of but I'm a long way from discounting the possibility that a god exists.

I believe and hope that there is nothing. I would love nothing more than the thing that happens after death is just nothing-ness. I don't want to be floating on a cloud or whatever. If there is such thing as hell it would be right here and now on earth.

Sounds a little emo but not meant to be, honest

Atheism is the one for you then.

 

[_dogma_]

If there was a heaven it would be right here and now on earth.

We have no paradise , no heaven or hell so we must make this life, this rock, into whichever we desire.

That's true, but as a whole, there is so much suffering and destruction on this planet and I imagine it's hell for a lot of people.

 

[Touchstone]

I never said we understood it in it's entirety but it does make sense and was predicted before it's discovery.

hmm im not sure it makes sense at all, for instance a founding principle of quantum is that an electron is both wave and a particle, we dont understand it at all!

we had formula that worked and predicted accurate results then we found that it was not how it really worked

well thats not right at all, were discovering actually that we dont understand that mavity for instance is not a constant, and that it also my change over distance, we have a formulae that seems to work on our scale of things but it also doesnt seem to work on the truly massive scale. our understanding of things is incomplete

But you've just asserted a negative then

no i havent ive asserted nothing, not a negative or a positive.

how can you say that for certain without proof?

All you've done is say the same as religious people when they say there definitely is a god.

ive never understood this so youl have to help me out here. why do you need proof of somethign that dooesnt exist. if i tell you that there is an invisible unicorn that you cant interact with standing next to you, how can you prove its nmot there.
the ownus isnt on me to disprove something its on 'you' to prove it. and as of yet through the history of human civilisation no one has ever even come close to proving there is a god.

 

[David41]

Was brought up as a catholic, baptised, holy communion etc. As soon as I was old enough to think for myself I decided it was all horse ****. If people ask me I tell them I'm an atheist.