Best quality photobook for an anniversary gift?

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1 year anniversary is coming up for me and my GF and I was wanting to put together a photobook of our 1st year. I was just wondering where the best place was to source a good quality one from.

What I mean is something that feels like it's bound together quite well, with a decent design to it. Rather than a series of photo pages with a cheesy theme to it, loosely glued together.

So any tips for a good quality photobook provider?
 
Blurb is ok...actually I got my Loxley book today, it make Blurb looks like erm, average at best.....Loxley Belissimo...my jaw dropped....I'll get some pics up later when i get home.
 
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Me too! I have a Blurb one already of some of my earlier stuff and to be honest the quality is second to none. Would really like to see how it compares. I am planning on doing a newer book in a few months, so perfect timing. How do they compare price wise? :)

Trust me, it is not even in the same league...the major difference are, price excluded.

1 - It prints to the spine, and it opens up like a spread like 1 piece of paper over 2 pages. My album is a 12x12 (Square), but when the pages open, I can treat it like a single spread 24x12 as there are no gaps !

2 - Mine has a Aluminium front and a Leather/Vinyl spine and rear (you could choose a photographic cover but my Aluminium cover offers an option to have an Laser Engraving on the front.

3 - Each page is like a piece of card, about as thick as a 20p

4 - It comes in a beautiful Leather/Vinyl case

The only problem is the price and you need to be a "professional" in order to order one from Loxley. I am not sure how they classify professional photographer but at minimum I would think they want to see your website. Which sadly means I am reluctant to disclose the cost of the album here.
 
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Hmm ok, that sounds a bit overboard really, for what I'm looking for anyway.

I'm willing to spend the money for a nice result, but anything over £50 would be taking money away from the holiday that we're going on! :)
 
as i've just been married, and have digital proofs i wondered if you could tell me what something like that might cost? by email in trust if you'd prefer not to divulge?
 
That looks fantastic. But because of that, I don't think that sites like Blurb should be discarded - they're just competing at a different level to a different audience.

I suspect that someone paying £2k for a wedding tog would pay for a book like the Lexley. Blurb will still offer a good hardback with excellent reproduction. A comparison without a comparison on price is a little unfair.
 
Like i said, it's in a different league and ultimately aimed at a different market. Blurb is more a book, Loxley is a specific portrait/wedding album and portfolio. The price reflects this too and it is overkill for family snaps tbh. It is however a wonderful too to impress clients, it is even more impressive in the flesh, the weigh of it has to be felt to be believed.

Sorry Pug, i am afraid I can't, but I am sure no one will stop you if you contact Loxley direct. :) Sorry i can't be more helped but if i did I would get flamed to pieces and i need to protect my own interest too. I hope you understand.
 
Lets go completely the opposite direction and suggest something totally different.

I had a Crewe book done a week or two ago and the quality is pretty damn good. Unfortunately I haven't printed one with another compay yet so can't fully compare however having just read Raymonds comparison between the Loxley and Blurb i would suggest the Crewe book is closer to the Loxley than the Blurb.

I got the 8x10.5" Hard back photo paper one (instead of standard):

The print quality is up there with the Loxley standard lustre prints, which are my standard choice for any prints. The texture isn't quite there, which lets it down a little but it's only slight, and still better than somewhere like Photobox's standard prints.

The paper is pretty thick, I think the way they make it is stick two sheets of printed photo paper together so each page is around a mm thick (a lot thicker than normal paper). There is very little sign of this on the edges however and I only came to that conclusion by looking at the spine.

Due to the above printing method it means each double page spread is made out of a single sheet of paper (so 8x21") so photos spread over a double page don't have a gap (like the Loxley Raymond mentioned).

It does seem to stick in the middle ground with regards to price. The 36 (I think) page one cost me £38 delivered, whereas the Blurb one is around £28~ delivered and the Loxley one at least £100 (haven't looked at the price in a while and so a guess, it could actually be way over £100).

Sounds all well and rosy then, however there is one "let down", the hard back cover isn't brilliant. It looks a bit cheaply printed and doesn't feel very strudy, almost feeling like too much flex and the spine will start ripping. It's fine, but doesn't really live up to the standards of the inside. I think however you can get leather bound versions, which may be a lot better.




As for printing with Loxley, they do cater mostly for businesses and large orderers however they will also cater for the occasional printer. You just need to download the ROES software (very good BTW) and email them for an account number (it will tell you how on their website). I can see the prices being different for different people however as you have to log in (or go to your set up ROES software) to see any prices. In general however for standard prints smaller than 12x8 they are reasonably expensive compared to photobox (but there is no comparison quality wise) however larger than 12x8 and prices become very similar and can even be cheaper for really large prints.

Anything other than standard prints however and the prices make you cry! :p

EDIT: Lets put it this way, from my account the cover of the book Raymond showed costs more than a standard Blurb photobook on it's own, the presentation case, more than the cover... :p

EDIT2: Ahh, I see where you're coming from now, I can "order" the box and the cover but there are no prices for the book specifically. I assumed you meant using Loxley as a whole. I'll have to look into that as I was tempted to order one in the future. :)

EDIT3: The prices for the Book however are available on the website (once logged in) so if you do get a Loxley account you wll be able to see how much they cost. They do however do an infinity coffee table book which is a more reasonable price of around £70, I have no idea how good they are however, I assume still very good as they are from Loxley.
 
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Its somewhat pretentious to suggest only professionals may use them and you cannot disclose a price list? I very easily registered, software downloaded and was able to place an order without needing to suggest I am a professional business?

Pricelist pdf link is below. You are basically looking at several hundred pounds.
http://www.loxleycolour.com/docs/the_bellissimo_range.pdf

The quality is second to none though; it just looks fantastic. In think its much more suited to a wedding album or portfolio type album than necessarily a photobook. Very nice though!
 
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Its somewhat pretentious to suggest only professionals may use them and you cannot disclose a price list? I very easily registered, software downloaded and was able to place an order without needing to suggest I am a professional business?

Pricelist pdf link is below. You are basically looking at several hundred pounds.
http://www.loxleycolour.com/docs/the_bellissimo_range.pdf

The quality is second to none though; it just looks fantastic. In think its much more suited to a wedding album or portfolio type album than necessarily a photobook. Very nice though!

Thanks, you saved me the time of doing the same thing. A little out of my league at the moment.
 
I didn't make up the rule about the "professional" bit :p Like I said to Pug, no one stopping anyone contacting Loxley direct.

Actually, the quality is not second to none in the strictest sense (it is still VERY good I give you that), I know of at least a few other bookmakers that makes "better" books, but their prices reflects this too and makes the loxley price a bargain in comparison.
 
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Its somewhat pretentious to suggest only professionals may use them and you cannot disclose a price list? I very easily registered, software downloaded and was able to place an order without needing to suggest I am a professional business?

Pricelist pdf link is below. You are basically looking at several hundred pounds.
http://www.loxleycolour.com/docs/the_bellissimo_range.pdf

The quality is second to none though; it just looks fantastic. In think its much more suited to a wedding album or portfolio type album than necessarily a photobook. Very nice though!

My reasoning as to why they do this is they protect the business of the professional photographer and in exchange they get a faithful clientele that can keep their business going for years.

If the average consumer can take some snapshots and believe he has produced something as good as a good professional, he will not hire the professional. Then the book-making company will get an influx of casual consumers who will order 1 book on average. The book will be very well made but not sell itself very well because the shots inside will usually not be that great.

If instead they have a smaller group of professional customers who order books frequently (i.e. for every wedding they do), their business is probably just as much to start with, and their product sells itself better to gain them more professional customers.
 
They do a 'classic coffe table book' for about £40 :p The infinity book's about £90 according to the price list, and that comes with a presentation box. Sounds like very nice books.
 
My reasoning as to why they do this is they protect the business of the professional photographer and in exchange they get a faithful clientele that can keep their business going for years.

If the average consumer can take some snapshots and believe he has produced something as good as a good professional, he will not hire the professional. Then the book-making company will get an influx of casual consumers who will order 1 book on average. The book will be very well made but not sell itself very well because the shots inside will usually not be that great.

If instead they have a smaller group of professional customers who order books frequently (i.e. for every wedding they do), their business is probably just as much to start with, and their product sells itself better to gain them more professional customers.

My earlier comment was actually in reference to the earlier posts that suggested you needed to be a professional photographer to use the service and the suggestion that the price lists should remain undisclosed for that reason. I felt that to be somewhat pretentious as they appear to sell to anyone. I was able to sign up, download software and in fact submit said book to them. Equally I could gain all the pricelists I wanted.

As a business surely you don't care who your customers are? Its more about numbers as that in turn equals profit? If the product speaks for itself which it does then I see it unlikely they will lose business. If anything they would gain business as you would have a wider audience.

I am sure they could not care less about the content contained within their products as that is not going to be seen by anyone but the end user.

Perhaps I have misinterpreted. :)
 
The reason is a simple one, revealing cost price for your product to your client, thus revealing your profit margin. Same reason you can remove the Blurb logo on their book design, more than for asthestic reason.

A simple question, would you want to tell your client that £50 prints you are selling only cost you £1 to print? It will only give them ammunition to haggle, yes of course you can say and you will say its the artistic merit that they are paying for but you don't tell people how much it cost you.

It is as simple as that, I have said that I don't know how they classify "Professional" nor stopping anyone finding out themselves.
 
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