Gti6s and rallyees

Eliot

Eliot

Eliot

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Hi well my other thread pretty much died and I guess as I'm more sure of what I want now i thought I would make another basically I'm looking and 306gti6s and rallyees and wondering if someone on here has had one or has thoughts the quetions I hve mainly are
is the rallyee really much quicker than a gti6?
Do u really have to change cambelts every 40k and is it a lot as it's a hot hatch etc

finally although I don't really care what can I expect in terms of mpg?
Last but not least how much should I be looking to save to get a proper good one that won't explode a day after I get it
 
If you have to ask about a Rallye's performance they really aren't for you. On paper there is very little between them, and if you're like me you see the rallye as the same car with less equipment. Of course Rallye owners do love their cars, but I think Rallyes are best left for the person who doesn't need to ask why.

Cambelt - Oh sweet baby jesus, yes they NEED to be changed that often. Pug quoted a change at 60K miles and that went horribly gone with plenty of cars snapping their belts before then. Citroen's 40k change for the VTS was absoultely spot on. Risk it and you'll pay for it later.

Timing is very, very important when doing the cambelt. If you get it even slightly wrong you'll end up with a "tapper" with a bent valve like mine, meaning a rebuild or a replacement Head is needed as soon as possible (It is possible for the the valve to snap off into the bottom end and trash the engine!)

MPG - Mine has been giving me horrid MPG figures, even though I'm in a lighter 205 shell, but this is on short journeys so I can't really hold that against it. On a motorway run around 30MPG+ should be achievable.

As always buy based on quality, not price. If there is a mint car with FSH and a good engine up for £1,000, buy it. More doesn't always equal more. Other than the cambelt issues, they are quite reliable engines anyway.
 
With regards to difficulty with fitting cambelts is this somthing I need to worry about when taking it to a garage I.e do I need to take it to some firm of Peugeot specialist
yeah I only wondered about the rallyee as is like only 50kg lighter I mean take out the spare wheel and your not far off that lol
 
Crap question alert: Why do the cambelts snap? Is there a particular problem or weakness in the belt assembly?
 
i wondered that too,
im seriously finding it hard to find a good example of either atm most have 100000 miles + or good ones are modded/chaved
 
breaking news in the field of stupid insurance, a focus rs mk1 is just wait for it......... 1700 WHATTTTT thats insane when a new st is only 2000. if only i had money for a rs

false alarm i forgot i set up the insurance wrong... is actually 2200

i think i might just have to face facts and stick with a 1.25 car for ANOTHER year, especially if i cant find a 306 gti in good nick
 
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Eliot said:
i wondered that too,
im seriously finding it hard to find a good example of either atm most have 100000 miles + or good ones are modded/chaved
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To be honest if you're waiting for a virgin example with 60k on the clock and not a mod done then you'll be waiting for a while. GTI6s are at shed money, and it is only going to get worse until they are considered proper classics. I wouldn't worry too much about mileage (contrary to belief, cars don't automatically blow up after hitting 6 figures! :p) and as long as tasteful mods have been done (engine, suspension, brakes, etc), I wouldn't worry about them either (providing you can get insured).

What is your mechanical knowledge like? I think that is the most important thing when it comes to cheap, "interesting" cars. If you cannot service them and do basic maintenance such as pads, discs then a car like this rarely makes sense. If you can't, you have to ask yourself are you willing to through yourself in head first and learn? The fact that you are worried about mileage is a bit of an issue, cars like these do go wrong once in the while regardless of age/mileage/mods/previous owner. It is not really that much of an issue if you don't mind spending some time under the bonnet, but if you're going to be taking it to the garage everytime something goes wrong then it isn't going to make much sense.
 
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To be honest if you're waiting for a virgin example with 60k on the clock and not a mod done then you'll be waiting for a while. GTI6s are at shed money, and it is only going to get worse until they are considered proper classics. I wouldn't worry too much about mileage (contrary to belief, cars don't automatically blow up after hitting 6 figures! :p) and as long as tasteful mods have been done (engine, suspension, brakes, etc), I wouldn't worry about them either (providing you can get insured).

What is your mechanical knowledge like? I think that is the most important thing when it comes to cheap, "interesting" cars. If you cannot service them and do basic maintenance such as pads, discs then a car like this rarely makes sense. If you can't, you have to ask yourself are you willing to through yourself in head first and learn? The fact that you are worried about mileage is a bit of an issue, cars like these do go wrong once in the while regardless of age/mileage/mods/previous owner. It is not really that much of an issue if you don't mind spending some time under the bonnet, but if you're going to be taking it to the garage everytime something goes wrong then it isn't going to make much sense.
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i would say my knowledge is minimal (i can change oil) however im very willing to learn in fact i want to know how to do everything on a car, i love the idea of getting a skyline when im like 24 and doing everything myself.
 
I have a GTi6 that I have enjoyed modding over the years. I've done the more tasteful mods myself. Upgrading the suspension (Bilstein yellow shocks and 1mm thicker torsion bars), renewing all other suspension components and slightly lowering it (35mm). Lightweight flywheel and crank pulley and some PT81 camshafts, BlueFlame cat back exhaust with decat + remap. The brakes have Tarox and brembo discs combined with Ferodo DS2500 pads. If you buy a 6 with mods like this you will really enjoy it. My only gripe is the camshafts I have fitted do mean you lose a smidge of mid range power but it pulls harder and faster once it gets past 4500rpm all the way to the limiter (peak power is smack on the limiter now). The lightweight flywheel masks the slight loss in the midrange anyway.

Cambelts go for a few reasons. Old belt, not tensioned correctly, also the tensioners, idler pullies and water pump should also be changed when changing the cambelt as if any of these fail (common for tensioners) then again you'll end up with a tapper. Personally I change mine every 35k but it does depend how enthusiastically you drive. I've done a trackday with the existing belt fitted so I'll definately be changing this one at 35k. They have been known to go after as little as 30k :(

I have a GTi6 but if I had a choice now I'd probably go for the Rallye (I did get my 6 cheap off of my brother though). I'm not fussed about losing electric windows etc and my Air Con finally broke last year (corroded front pipes another common problem) and I'm not wanting the pay the amount they want for those pipes to fix it. Smiles per pound though I think they offer great value just dont expect to find to many minters around anymore.
 
Air con never works in the GTI-6 and the drivers seat always rips on the bolster.

Try cg-cars of leicester for a good one or the 306 GTI-6 and rallye owners club.
 
cheers dude will check them out, i think i certainly would like a rallye, lack of electric windows doesnt bother me becuase i have windy's now and i cant say i ever think, ''i wish i could do that with a button'' and as for ac i can say ive used it in the fiesta about 4 times in 2 years so meh
also a rallye feels more 'exclusive'
 
Oh hell no.

You can tell loads about what sort of life a car has lived through its modifications, and that one screams "Ragged from cold starts and spent a great deal of time in a McDonald's Car Park". I hate to stereotype, but a GTI6 is not the sort of car I'd want to buy from a dealer. While they can be had for shed money, the best ones will always be owned by enthusiasts, and I do not think a single enthusiast would P/X their Pride and joy at a lifeless car dealers.

I'd go there and test drive it so that you can get a feel for them, but you'd be on crack to spend £2,000 on THAT.
 
At 19 would you not be better off with a 106. GTi is IG13, Rallye is GI9, XSI is GI10. Think the GTI6 is GI15. So should make a big difference. I'm sure there isn't much in it performcae wise between the 106 and 306.
 
Ive had this debate with my mate about a Rallye been quicker than a GTi6. Basically a GTi6 has electric windows, sunroof, AC and a few other things which the Rallye doesnt. You probably wouldnt be able to tell much different between them performance wise but if you want some luxuries then get the GTi6. Only thing is, is that it sups petrol like its going out of fasion.

If you want to be oober rare and cool, have a look for a S16. Its not got as much power as a GTi6 only 155 I do believe but its old skool and most 306 owners will envy you.

At 19 I had a 1.9 Dturbo and was well fun till my turbo pipe came off and lost all what little power it had.
 
Thing is about insurance is the gti6 is only 1200 anyways so I'm not really interested in a 106 also I don't fancy a crash in one not that plan on crashing


Yeah I had a look at s16s they seem cool but surely the shed factor is higher than a gti 6 if you know what I mean
 
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