Blasted Flipping Tankslappers

Stellios · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:26

G J said:
How'd you cause the back to step out coming off a roundabout like that

There must have been something on the road then or you sure you wern't trying to vtec y0! on the exit?

Id VTEC Y0! it if I actually had a car that could pull a skin off a rice pudding!

Sin_Chase · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:26

My money is on it being under steer into the kerb on exit

I had to enter corners with my arse on fire and in the wet to even get the back end of my focus to move (Or use the handbrake)

Maybe it was some handbrake y0 on the exit?

Stellios · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:30

Sin_Chase said:
Maybe it was some handbrake y0 on the exit?

Nope none at all, which is why how it happened confused me more than anything. Ive threw this car round a lot harder than I did there (I wasnt even pushing it really) and its not budged, I can pretty much only put it down to something on the road.

Matt82 · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:32

what brand were the crap tyres?

Stellios · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:34

Matt82 said:
what brand were the crap tyres?

Event

Dont touch them with a barge pole.

Berger · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:38

Perhaps off camber bump when turning off the roundabout onto the road/exit as some have, unloaded the rear and caused it to step out...?

PiKe · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:39

Berger said:
Perhaps off camber bump when turning off the roundabout onto the road/exit as some have, unloaded the rear and caused it to step out...?

Can't you usually power out of a rear end slide in a FWD car though?

Fr0dders · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:40

if your back end stepped out in the wet on a front wheel drive car you must have badly mismatched levels of grip.

Replaced the fronts recently ? if you've got brand new fronts and old rears the old rears will break traction first sending the back end out.

TaKeN · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:41

PiKe said:
Can't you usually power out of a rear end slide in a FWD car though?

Depends on how you deal with it I suppose. When I first experianced LOOS with my 306 I panicked backed off the power, touched the brakes and threw on too much opposite lock causing the car to snap back the other way rather violently.. Not good

Stellios · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:42

MrLOL said:
Replaced the fronts recently ? if you've got brand new fronts and old rears the old rears will break traction

Year old rears and 6 month old fronts, but the fronts are Dunlop Sports and the rears were cheap crap. Needless to say, lesson learnt and all 4 are Dunlop Sports now.

TaKeN said:

Depends on how you deal with it I suppose. When I first experianced LOOS with my 306 I panicked backed off the power, touched the brakes and threw on too much opposite lock causing the car to snap back the other way rather violently.. Not good

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Probably similar to me then, I caught the first kick and had it reasonably controlled, but the back end snapped back in the other direction so quickly I couldnt turn the wheel fast enough to catch it.

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Prophet · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:44

MrLOL said:
if your back end stepped out in the wet on a front wheel drive car you must have badly mismatched levels of grip.

Replaced the fronts recently ? if you've got brand new fronts and old rears the old rears will break traction first sending the back end out.

Or he went too hot into the coner, lifted off the gas and was handed a nice helping of lift over over steer.

Berger · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:47

PiKe said:
Can't you usually power out of a rear end slide in a FWD car though?

If you have the space yes. The car will still slide about a bit before it pulls straight.

mattyg · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:51

I'm gonna sound like an old fart now But a speed limit is a limit not a target. You were obviously driving to fast for the road conditions.

Having said that its so cool when the back steps out and you catch it and carry on.

I would recommend everyone after a few years driving to get in touch with an advanced driver and have a few lessons. Its amazing what you pick up in even just an hour on the road,

Matt82 · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:56

MrLOL said:
if your back end stepped out in the wet on a front wheel drive car you must have badly mismatched levels of grip.

no. not at all. anyone can pitch a fwd car to the extent you get LOO

MrLOL said:
Replaced the fronts recently ? if you've got brand new fronts and old rears the old rears will break traction first sending the back end out.

again wrong. if anything, brand new tyres will have less grip than worn tyres, for at least the first couple hundred miles

i put new vredesteins on the front of mine last week. im not getting mad oversteer or understeer, but the front end definately has less grip than before... and before you say "ZOMG the vredesteins are crap" youre wrong again, its just becuase theyre new

sigma · 26 Feb 2010 at 16:57

mattyg said:
I'm gonna sound like an old fart now But a speed limit is a limit not a target. You were obviously driving to fast for the road conditions.

He admitted that in the first post:

Stellios said:
I accept I was maybe pulling off the roundabout slightly on the fast side, but I was still only doing about 25mph.

Rather lucky to have not hit anything else Stellios.

Clarkey · 26 Feb 2010 at 17:10

You over corrected, that's why it snapped back on you.

Notice the amount of lock compared to the slide angle, that's all you need.

Coco · 26 Feb 2010 at 17:15

Unlucky Stellios, lesson learnt & all that jazz. I highly doubt this was a lift-off scenario.

Good front tyres + cack rear tyres. <-- blame 1- dont wear rubbish tyres!
Too much pace exiting a roundabout. <-- blame 2- touch too fast Soldier!
Sudden loss of rear end grip.
Stellios Button caught this slide.
Stellios Piquet didn't catch the counter-slide. <-- blame 3- wind off that lock quicker!
DONE.

Coco · 26 Feb 2010 at 17:17

Oh yeah...

From the picture I can see diseasil spillage & a stealthy Ninja Badger. Damn Ninja Badgers.