Korean internet etiquette adverts and lessons

House · 3 Mar 2010 at 14:28

I'm currently over in Korea with work and last night i was watching TV and a strange advert came on.

Basically it was some people with words raining down on them in the street followed by a slogan about being polite online and treating people with respect. Abit weird i thought and made a mental note to ask one of the guys from work to explain to me what that was all about at work today.

To my suprise one of my colluges today explained that not only do they have these adverts but part to the core syllabus at schools is about netiquette and interlectual property (how to behave online classes basically).

Also this conversation explained to me why i couldnt get onto any wifi hotspots due to my lack on an "alien registration number" aparently all net access in Korea has to be traceable to a person so that they have responisibity for anything said on a forum for example incase of slander/libel.

Im really not sure what to think of this, Good idea on the leasons and ads, but at the same time maybe too far and big brother on the logging? apparently there have been some issues of people posting anti goverment stuff so that lead to the clamp down. Now im no protestor but isnt the net ment to allow debate?

scorza · 3 Mar 2010 at 14:33

Allow debate yes? Allow libel, slander and IP theft - no!

Tefal · 3 Mar 2010 at 14:43

scorza said:
Allow debate yes? Allow libel, slander and IP theft - no!

Then shouldn't you have to wear a microphone at all times so we can make sure you never slander anyone?

Energize · 3 Mar 2010 at 14:57

House said:
I'm currently over in Korea with work and last night I was watching TV and a strange advert came on.

Basically it was some people with words raining down on them in the street followed by a slogan about being polite online and treating people with respect. A bit weird I thought and made a mental note to ask one of the guys from work to explain to me what that was all about at work today.

To my surprise one of my colleagues today explained that not only do they have these adverts but part to the core syllabus at schools is about netiquette and intellectual property (how to behave online classes basically).

Also this conversation explained to me why I couldn't get onto any wifi hotspots due to my lack of an "alien registration number" apparently all net access in Korea has to be traceable to a person so that they have responsibility for anything said on a forum for example in case of slander/libel.

I'm really not sure what to think of this, good idea on the lessons and ads, but at the same time maybe too far and big brother on the logging? Apparently there have been some issues of people posting anti government stuff so that led to the clamp down. Now I'm no protester but isn't the net meant to allow debate?

It's the kind of thing I'd expect with Labour tbh especially considering the recent bannage of open hot spots.

craptakular · 3 Mar 2010 at 14:59

You in North or South Korea?

K1LLSW1TCH · 3 Mar 2010 at 14:59

Is this North, or South Korea?

wannabedamned · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:01

lol, Energize you corrected all the mistakes

Is your post going to get you in trouble House? Questioning methods!!!

LordSplodge · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:05

Screw you Korea. You might have fast Internet but you are a bunch of dog eating ****. Trace that!

Don't give Labour any ideas as they don't like the Internet and Freedom of Speach as it is...

Col_M · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:07

I think the etiquette lessons and adverts make sense, not sure how that'd work in the UK though, many people have problems showing respect and manners in face to face situations let alone online.

Hot-spot monitoring and access restriction is a bit OTT though.

scorza · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:08

Tefal said:
Then shouldn't you have to wear a microphone at all times so we can make sure you never slander anyone?

No

Do you think that the freedom the internet brings means the freedom to break the law and cause demonstrable harm to other people?

Tefal · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:09

scorza said:
No

Do you think that the freedom the internet brings means the freedom to break the law and cause demonstrable harm to other people?

Do you think freedom of speech brings the freedom to break the law and cause demonstrable harm to other people?

scorza · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:14

There isn't freedom of speech in South Korea now? I must have missed that memo. Freedom of speech != freedom to slander, defame, libel without consequence. I don't see why people think the internet suddenly changes that.

Now answer my question.

anything I don't mind · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:20

if they take away the anonymous aspect of the internet, which they are clearly trying to accomplish. another internet will just be created when new technology becomes available that will allow for isp-less global high bandwidth internet. they will of course try and hold this technology back, they being the execs of verizon and the big tier 1 isps cause that will eat into their market share...

but if the 7 american tier 1 isp go nazi on us, i will try to stay on global crossing tier 1 and hope they don't join in.

everything i say on the internet i have no problems saying to people in real life or on public TV. the only reason why anonymous is needed in the internet is for security reasons, hacked, stalked etc.

but it is the lack of censorship on the internet that makes it so great, the ability to go onto some forums and be free to say what ever you want and not have to worry about the police arresting you for saying the wrong thing.

LordSplodge · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:38

scorza said:
There isn't freedom of speech in South Korea now? I must have missed that memo. Freedom of speech != freedom to slander, defame, libel without consequence. I don't see why people think the internet suddenly changes that.

Now answer my question.

Of course it doesn't mean people are free to commit libel or slander but you don't resolve that by tracking everybody's moves online. That's like the Post Office reading everybody's letters just to make sure somebody isn't saying bad things about Jonathan Ross.

If a person genuinely commits Libel under current (UK) law the appropriate bodies can request logs from the ISP and then proceed to take that person(s) to court.

Being tracked online stop (or at the very least makes people seriously consider) protesting against Government and other bodies. The right to protest without fear of reprisal and freedom of speech outweighs the odd chance of somebody committing libel and as I've said this can be dealt with with draconian surveillance laws.

scorza · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:54

LordSplodge said:
Of course it doesn't mean people are free to commit libel or slander but you don't resolve that by tracking everybody's moves online. That's like the Post Office reading everybody's letters just to make sure somebody isn't saying bad things about Jonathan Ross.

If they were reading people's email then I'd agree, but AFAIK there's no suggestion that the South Korean government is doing any such thing.

LordSplodge said:
If a person genuinely commits Libel under current (UK) law the appropriate bodies can request logs from the ISP and then proceed to take that person(s) to court.

And if the person is using an anonymous WiFi hotspot? Hence why the Korean government require people to have an "alien registration number".

LordSplodge said:
Being tracked online stop (or at the very least makes people seriously consider) protesting against Government and other bodies. The right to protest without fear of reprisal and freedom of speech outweighs the odd chance of somebody committing libel and as I've said this can be dealt with with draconian surveillance laws.

And this is the case in South Korea is it?

britboy4321 · 3 Mar 2010 at 16:03

I love the idea of stopping the internet being anonymous.

The anoymity of the internet is ruining it. There are so many people that act like complete jerks just because it's anonymous.

Their behaviour is disgraceful. Not only insults, but 'rage-quitting' for example. For the whole of time so far, if someone suddenly stomps off half-way through a game because they're losing they are considered a complete jerk by the other people playing, and won't get another game.

Nowadays on t'net it has no ramifications. Nor does insulting people on forums. nor does cheating on a game. nor does pirating. nor does anything else. It's hopeless .. it's turning the modern day kiddies into absolute idiots because they've NEVER had to face consequence from most of their actions as they're done completely anonymously

There are 1000 reasons more that a non-anonymous internet would be about 10 times better than the thing we've currently got. I wish they'd do it. At the moment it's fundermentally a big bucket of idiots.

Knubje · 3 Mar 2010 at 16:06

Sounds good in theory, teach people to respect others and behave appropriately online. Easier said than done though. Over in Korea where they are under the thumb of the government/country it is probably achievable, in Western society probably not so easy. Give me the right to be free/anonymous/have an opinion than not, tbh.

As already mentioned, it gets down to the point that Tefal made. It just gets to the stage of Nanny state/police where everything you do or say will be monitored. Standing in line, believing the lies, bowing down to the flag, you got a bullet in your head.

LordSplodge · 3 Mar 2010 at 16:10

scorza said:
If they were reading people's email then I'd agree, but AFAIK there's no suggestion that the South Korean government is doing any such thing.

So it's fine for the Korean Government to read/track all my blog posts, forum posts and other online activity but as long as they don't read my emails it's fine. Nope. It's one step closer to a Government controlled Internet and that's the wet dream of most Governments.

And if the person is using an anonymous WiFi hotspot? Hence why the Korean government require people to have an "alien registration number".

What you're saying is that nobody has the right to anonymous Internet access because somebody may do something wrong. Surely responsibility lies with the provider of the Hotspot?

And this is the case in South Korea is it?

I cannot speak for South Korea but so far all around the world Governments are trying to reign in the Internet after all it has given the People power back and we don't want that, do we? Of course if you disagree with controlling and tracking access to the Internet you must be a Copyright Infringement\ Pedophile \ Terrorist \ Slander supporter right?

LordSplodge · 3 Mar 2010 at 16:12

britboy4321 said:
I love the idea of stopping the internet being anonymous.

The anoymity of the internet is ruining it. There are so many people that act like complete jerks just because it's anonymous.

Their behaviour is disgraceful. Not only insults, but 'rage-quitting' for example. For the whole of time so far, if someone suddenly stomps off half-way through a game because they're losing they are considered a complete jerk by the other people playing, and won't get another game.

Nowadays on t'net it has no ramifications. Nor does insulting people on forums. nor does cheating on a game. nor does pirating. nor does anything else. It's hopeless .. it's turning the modern day kiddies into absolute idiots because they've NEVER had to face consequence from most of their actions as they're done completely anonymously

There are 1000 reasons more that a non-anonymous internet would be about 10 times better than the thing we've currently got. I wish they'd do it. At the moment it's fundermentally a big bucket of idiots.

I disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it.

Who's going to "control" the Internet? The Government? That is a crazy and dangerous idea and if you can't figure out why not then your welcome to use it when it happens!

britboy4321 · 3 Mar 2010 at 16:13

LordSplodge said:
So it's fine for the Korean Government to read/track all my blog posts, forum posts and other online activity but as long as they don't read my emails it's fine.

Yes, I think it's OK for the government to read ANYTHING you post publically. In fact, it's even OK if I read it! It's public!