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[apatia77]

I don't even think that it is possible to stop the internet being anonymous unless you want the internet that China has.

 

[britboy4321]

I don't even think that it is possible to stop the internet being anonymous unless you want the internet that China has.

Naah it's very easy indeed. Just

1) Make unsecure WIFI illegal
2) Give everyone their own static IP address and they choose a password, needed to type in to access t'net.
3) Make it illegal to use anyone else's IP address.


And that's it. You know exactly precisely who is doing what. Jobs a good 'un. OK you'd have law breakers but so does all legislation, and that would be a relatively easy crime for the police to follow up ..

 

[scorza]

So it's fine for the Korean Government to read/track all my blog posts, forum posts and other online activity but as long as they don't read my emails it's fine. Nope. It's one step closer to a Government controlled Internet and that's the wet dream of most Governments.

Yes, because your blog posts are public although I wouldn't advocate them doing that because it would be a waste of time.

What the South Korean government has done is ensure that your blog posts are traceable to you, so that if you defame someone you can be identified and taken to court. You can't hide behind anonymity to make baseless accusations.

What you're saying is that nobody has the right to anonymous Internet access because somebody may do something wrong. Surely responsibility lies with the provider of the Hotspot?

I don't think anyone has ever had the right to anonymous internet access - it's certainly not a right in the UK's Human Rights Act. Isn't making responsibility for identifying the user of a Hotspot what the UK government are proposing to do? And yes, responsibility should be with the Hotspot provider.

 

[LordSplodge]

Yes, I think it's OK for the government to read ANYTHING you post publically. In fact, it's even OK if I read it! It's public!

Yes and all that can be done without me needing a unique tag to track me online. There is a difference. Hell Gordon Brown can add me on Twitter if he wants. What they should not be able to do is just track everything carte blanche.

My example was a little poor but I'm trying to work and post.

 

[LordSplodge]

Yes, because your blog posts are public although I wouldn't advocate them doing that because it would be a waste of time.

What the South Korean government has done is ensure that your blog posts are traceable to you, so that if you defame someone you can be identified and taken to court. You can't hide behind anonymity to make baseless accusations.

My blog can be traced to me without the need for any unique tracking number. The domain is registered to me!

I'm 100% positive the current wave of legislation around the world has nothing at all to do with libel (as I've said that can be dealt with) and everything to do with clawing the power back from the citizens.

I don't think anyone has ever had the right to anonymous internet access - it's certainly not a right in the UK's Human Rights Act. Isn't making responsibility for identifying the user of a Hotspot what the UK government are proposing to do? And yes, responsibility should be with the Hotspot provider.

There needs to be a balance. People need to know they can protest against their Government without repercussion (unlike what happened in Iran) but there does need to be somebody responsible for what happens. So far it is all covered without need for legislation except WIFI hotspots and I'm not sure the way that is being tackled is the best way.

 

[Strife212]

Hes obviously in South Korea, if he was in North he would have been thrown out of the country by now.

 

[LordSplodge]

Hes obviously in South Korea, if he was in North he would have been thrown out of the country by now.

I think you'd find he'd have "disappeared" rather than been thrown out!

 

[scorza]

My blog can be traced to me without the need for any unique tracking number. The domain is registered to me!

And as a result are you more or less likely to take note of any relevant laws you know of?

I'm 100% positive the current wave of legislation around the world has nothing at all to do with libel (as I've said that can be dealt with) and everything to do with clawing the power back from the citizens.

I must have missed that part, how can online libel be tackled if the endpoints of the internet (i.e. you and me) are allowed anonymous access to the network?

There needs to be a balance. People need to know they can protest against their Government without repercussion (unlike what happened in Iran) but there does need to be somebody responsible for what happens. So far it is all covered without need for legislation except WIFI hotspots and I'm not sure the way that is being tackled is the best way.

I agree wholeheartedly, but the lack of internet anonymity will not make the world like Iran.

 

[LordSplodge]

I must have missed that part, how can online libel be tackled if the endpoints of the internet (i.e. you and me) are allowed anonymous access to the network?

Other than WIFI hot spots (and we both agree they need to be resolved) you are not anonymous. If I commit libel and the CPS think the case is strong the ISP is required to give up my details. Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not a lawyer.

I agree wholeheartedly, but the lack of internet anonymity will not make the world like Iran.

No but like the who liberty/privacy debate it can be the thin edge of the wedge.

It is a citizens duty to always question what the Government does and not follow blindly.

 

[Tefal]

There isn't freedom of speech in South Korea now? I must have missed that memo. Freedom of speech != freedom to slander, defame, libel without consequence. I don't see why people think the internet suddenly changes that.

Now answer my question.

So what about down the pub?

Surely if you ever slander anyone while out with your mates/family or even in the privacy of your own home it should be punished.

How else will we do this without bugging you?

 

[scorza]

So what about down the pub?

Surely if you ever slander anyone while out with your mates/family or even in the privacy of your own home it should be punished.

How else will we do this without bugging you?

What about the pub? Your comments there are traceable to you, witnesses can testify that you said X. No different to the South Korean approach to internet anonymity.

 

[The Running Man]

because when you 'say' something it is spoken.. lasts for the duration you say it and to the audience to say it to....if you post it online it is available for anyone to access at any time (until removed) and is therefore more damning. and potentially damaging.

inserting a mike up everyones nose at birth is not practical.. giving everyone a single user ID to log on to the internet to reduce the amount of rubbish that goes on - online is practical, implementable and therefore a possibility...

note that it is illegal to slander anyone, but that your friends might not report you...

libel is the publishig of the slander for anyone to access...hence why libel is often seen as worse than simple slander.

internet = libel.

 

[Rroff]

I love the idea of stopping the internet being anonymous.

The anoymity of the internet is ruining it. There are so many people that act like complete jerks just because it's anonymous.

Their behaviour is disgraceful. Not only insults, but 'rage-quitting' for example. For the whole of time so far, if someone suddenly stomps off half-way through a game because they're losing they are considered a complete jerk by the other people playing, and won't get another game.

Nowadays on t'net it has no ramifications. Nor does insulting people on forums. nor does cheating on a game. nor does pirating. nor does anything else. It's hopeless .. it's turning the modern day kiddies into absolute idiots because they've NEVER had to face consequence from most of their actions as they're done completely anonymously

There are 1000 reasons more that a non-anonymous internet would be about 10 times better than the thing we've currently got. I wish they'd do it. At the moment it's fundermentally a big bucket of idiots.

Taking away the anonymous part doesn't stop people being complete jerks, just means some of them will try and hide it more. ~60% of human beings are pure scum and the rest ain't much better.

 

[Begbie]

The internet, its serious business springs to mind here.

 

[Tefal]

I love the idea of stopping the internet being anonymous.
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You realise of course they would still be jerks but now they would know who you are?

That's not going to end with you getting a couple of hundreds pizzas/deliveries of horse manure....

Nor does insulting people on forums. nor does cheating on a game.

Going to require some fundamental changes to the law if you want to do anything thing to make them "accountable".

How would you punish someone who cheats or insults you?

Would doing a handball in the pub football game have the same punishment?

Their behaviour is disgraceful. Not only insults, but 'rage-quitting' for example. For the whole of time so far, if someone suddenly stomps off half-way through a game because they're losing they are considered a complete jerk by the other people playing, and won't get another game.

If it;s a steam game you have thier steam Id's, if its a BF game you have thier soilder name and you can avoid them.

If you are suggesting some sort of rating system that would be terrible and abused no end.

Every half decent players rating would go through the floor as they where called hackers.

or people would abuse it by ruining the game to the point you're forced to quit and then be branded a rage quiter.

 

[House]

I'm in South Korea, Work dont send me to "axis of evil" countries anymore.

I found out lastnight that allot of online purchases require your ID number as well (or alien number) for example I can't buy a cinema ticket online cause i dont have an alien number (as i dont have a full visa yet)

 

[meghatronic]

I've spent numerous months in Seoul over the years. Not once (using internet cafe or wifi) have I had to use an alien registration card.

I was last there in July.

 

[Adrianr]

At the moment it's fundermentally a big bucket of idiots.

If I were the sort of person to put quotes from other forum members in my signiture, this would certainly make the grade

 

[House]

I've spent numerous months in Seoul over the years. Not once (using internet cafe or wifi) have I had to use an alien registration card.

I was last there in July.

All the ones im seeing now require it in starbucks and the other coffee shops. (what is it with starbucks in Seoul there is one evey 200yards on average)

Only Wifi I have got access to without is my hotels but that requires room number and a password they give you.

 

[Feef]

I don't even think that it is possible to stop the internet being anonymous unless you want the internet that China has.

Just to pick up on this bit, China doesn't actually apply this rule to foreigners everywhere. Net cafes in Beijing/Shanghai/Dalian, I had to fill in a form with my passport and visa number, but those in Qingdao/Guangzhou/Inner Mongolia I didn't. Nor Chengdu, thinking about it. And i never came across a public wifi hotspot in a cafe or whatever which required anything more than the password off the owner, who would always just give it no questions asked.

China...less heavily monitored?! I guess they must've just had cameras pointed over my shoulder instead..