Ubisoft's New DRM Cracked In Under 25-Hours

Strife212 said:
You're just trying to cave him in with the smallest arguments, fair enough it says on the DVD that you can't lend it, they could also write on there "death penalty for playing this DVD" but it wouldn't mean anything.
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So some points are more important than others? To someone with a horse as high as britboy's he should seemingly take this into consideration.
 
britboy4321 said:
So, let's get the rules down with regards to goods and services in general.

1) It is OK to steal stuff if the stuff you steal 'isn't very good'
2) It is OK to steal stuff if legitimate purchasers have to perform a simple, pre-defined action to use the product (such as watch a trailer or get connected to the internet).
3) It is OK to steal stuff if the item 'isn't much better than last year's model'
4) Companies should have no right to set Ts and Cs on anything they sell. If they do, stealing it is immediately 100% legit. If the company insists you only use the 'Toshiba' microwave-tray in a 'Toshiba' Microwave and never transfer it to a different microwave for example, it is then OK to steal the item.
5) If a product only gives you a few hours entertainment, stealing it is fine.
6) If you don't intend to buy an item whether it is easy to steal or not, then it is OK to steal it.

Does that just about cover it?
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Piracy isn't stealing, it's making another copy of an original.
 
Oxy said:
Piracy isn't stealing, it's making another copy of an original.
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Winds me right up when people call it stealing.

if me and britboy were in school taking an exam and I look at his paper then right down his answers, that's copying.

If I pick up his paper and walk off with it, that's stealing.

Pirates are copying the answers.
 
shauncr91 said:
Winds me right up when people call it stealing.

if me and britboy were in school taking an exam and I look at his paper then right down his answers, that's copying.

If I pick up his paper and walk off with it, that's stealing.

Pirates are copying the answers.
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Exactly.

There is a difference between stealing a physical DVD in a shop and copying your mates for instance.

Your mate still has the DVD and now so would your mate!

Capn' $qu!ff said:
But those "anti-piracy" videos on my DVDs say otherwise and TV's always right!
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lol, I know your post is a joke but why do we have copyright laws if it's simply just stealing?
 
To add to the convo, Skidrow is awesome because legit customers can crack their games now and get rid of the DRM ****.

Not even going to reply to britboy so long as he thinks copyright infringement is the same as stealing. And calls people thieves. They are called pirates...

koalaboy said:
don't think most people buying games care about DRM.
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I do. Anything with an activation limit, with ''always internet required'', with malware ( starforce) is a no go for me. Additionally, a CD check annoys the hell out of me too, which is prolly the reason why I've only bought games on steam in the past year.
 
So I wouldn't be stealing if I took a copy of your credit-card details ?

I agree it's not 'theft' in the traditional sense, but it is the taking of something you're not entitled to. Unfortunately, the analogies of "you wouldn't steal a car" don't help anyone.

Of course, with CD-Keys, and the 'pirates' creating keygens, they were actually stealing, as you could take a key that belonged to someone else, and prevent their usage of it.
 
Funds terrorism, ruins the music industry lmao... I think Winehouse and co do a fine job of flushing there own talents down the drain on their own.
 
Koalaboy said:
So I wouldn't be stealing if I took a copy of your credit-card details ?

I agree it's not 'theft' in the traditional sense, but it is the taking of something you're not entitled to. Unfortunately, the analogies of "you wouldn't steal a car" don't help anyone.

Of course, with CD-Keys, and the 'pirates' creating keygens, they were actually stealing, as you could take a key that belonged to someone else, and prevent their usage of it.
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Copying my details is not stealing, thats fraud.
 
Koalaboy said:
I agree it's not 'theft' in the traditional sense, but it is the taking of something you're not entitled to. Unfortunately, the analogies of "you wouldn't steal a car" don't help anyone.
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Exactly, I most certainly would clone a car for myself if it was a matter of copying a file.

Of course, with CD-Keys, and the 'pirates' creating keygens, they were actually stealing, as you could take a key that belonged to someone else, and prevent their usage of it.
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I don't think you understand how keygens work, they are usually tagged by the release group, a tag that doesn't exist in legit cd keys...

Eg. Cd keys from ''Deviance'' usually have ''DEV'' in the last of the 5 groups of numbers. And publishers don't use the cd keys created by such keygens. In fact I haven't come across a single keygen which made a legit ( as in working online) key so far...
 
The really frustrating thing is when PC gaming finally makes it's last big gasp, and dies forever - you 'pirates' are actually seriously going to persuade yourselves you had nothing to do with it's downfall and it was, er, the evil publishers' fault, or the prices being too high for games, at £15 (or something) :(

You already seriously think the lack of games currently on the PC compared with the consoles is nothing whatsoever to do with your pirating :( I guess people can persuade themselves of anything when they want to ..

EXACTLY the same as when the local corner shop stops trading due to rampant shop-lifting, and the local community immediately moans about not having a local shop .. they actually deep inside believe themselves it wasn't their fault, and the shop should have had better security, so they deserved what they got for having bad security, or the wrong products, or something. :( I don[t know what to call it? Self justification or something?

The person who stole my bike when I was 14 said it was my fault because I didn't lock it up properly :( He actually believed it was my fault.

You can't excuse thieving ever, even if you pretend its got a cooler name like 'piracy'.
 
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