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Nvidia drivers fries your card

OrphanBoy said:
To play devil's advocate here - it's not just the fault of Nvidia. These drivers are WHQL'ed. Microsoft have a QA system to ensure that it's safe to install drivers on your PC: these guys have again messed up. How many times have you installed drivers that are faulty that have the WHQL label on? I'll bet quite a few.
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Erm I somehow doubt the WHQL process is to protect a device from failing, do you really expect them to exhaustively test EVERY device driver for hardware failings?

It's NV's fault, they have produced a dodgy driver, full stop. No point in trying to spin the blame off them.
 
Having no issues with these drivers. I run the fan on the MSI Afterburner fan control thank god.

And yes this is really bad.
 
Yes, that's their job. To QA a driver. If they're not catching things like this then what's the point of the QA service?

I do agree that is is NV's fault and their own internal QA should find these bugs before we do. But Microsoft need to change their testing methodology if they're letting drivers through that can fry hardware!
 
OrphanBoy said:
To play devil's advocate here - it's not just the fault of Nvidia. These drivers are WHQL'ed. Microsoft have a QA system to ensure that it's safe to install drivers on your PC: these guys have again messed up. How many times have you installed drivers that are faulty that have the WHQL label on? I'll bet quite a few.
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WHQL process should spot a GPU fan not working as it should???? No chance!
 
OrphanBoy said:
Yes, that's their job. To QA a driver. If they're not catching things like this then what's the point of the QA service?

I do agree that is is NV's fault and their own internal QA should find these bugs before we do. But Microsoft need to change their testing methodology if they're letting drivers through that can fry hardware!
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Can you imagine how much manpower and resources they would need? You are literally talking about an infinite combination of devices, software and setups, it's just not remotely logical in any sense. It's like asking VOSA to exhaustively test every component of your car because your gearbox exploded 5 months after your MOT passed - it's just not logical
 
sure fire way to avoid those issues, buy a third party cooler and power it off a fan header on the motherboard or a seperate fan controller bypassing the controls on the card for the fan, cooler and quieter than the stock every time 100%
 
rafster said:
Can you imagine how much manpower and resources they would need? You are literally talking about an infinite combination of devices, software and setups, it's just not remotely logical in any sense. It's like asking VOSA to exhaustively test every component of your car because your gearbox exploded 5 months after your MOT passed - it's just not logical
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Oh I agree - but how DO they test graphics drivers then? I can't believe MS get a new driver in and say "come on, how many combinations are there to test??" and say "**** it, just pass it" :D
Some driver drops are more publicly visible than others - I'd imagine graphics drivers are used by 1000s more people than say obscure web cam drivers. They should at least be tested more thoroughly!
 
OrphanBoy said:
Yes, that's their job. To QA a driver. If they're not catching things like this then what's the point of the QA service?

I do agree that is is NV's fault and their own internal QA should find these bugs before we do. But Microsoft need to change their testing methodology if they're letting drivers through that can fry hardware!
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WHQL is to test how the driver/software interacts with the OS (basically to ensure it has no compatibility issues). The vendor is responsible for how it operates the hardware device. Microsoft have no portion of blame here.
 
Just Checked the Nvidia site looks like they have removed the latest driver update!? suspicious, now think about how many people have downloaded the drivers like me without knowing what damage it can do to your card! so in reality this is another fail for Nvidia Tbh, if my card fails this will fall down on them as it's there responsibility as a graphics card provider to make sure it passes all the checks before releasing duff drivers.
 
layte said:
WHQL is to test how the driver/software interacts with the OS (basically to ensure it has no compatibility issues). The vendor is responsible for how it operates the hardware device. Microsoft have no portion of blame here.
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This. The WHQL is to ensure compatibility with Windows. Products that pass the WHQL tests get to use a "Certified for Windows" logotype and the driver is digitally signed.

If that driver means that games have bugs or don't run or the hardware breaks then nothing to do with Microsoft. They don't care. They answer would be "why the hell did you submit it for WHQL if it was broken/bugged?"

Laugh at all the Nvidia fanbois trying to pass the blame onto Microsoft.
 
OrphanBoy said:
Yes, that's their job. To QA a driver. If they're not catching things like this then what's the point of the QA service?

I do agree that is is NV's fault and their own internal QA should find these bugs before we do. But Microsoft need to change their testing methodology if they're letting drivers through that can fry hardware!
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It's microsoft's job to make QA the drivers to ensure they don't mess anything up with windows.

As in, certified to make sure they're stable and don't crash Windows, not to ensure the driver works with the hardware as it should.

Both different responsibilities attached to them.

I would assume however if MS found a fault but didn't harm windows, they'd report it, but it's not their job to look after another company's products.
 
I just ran a simple test with Vertical Sync on and off in WOW.

Vertical Sync on 67c and under, with it off fan goes crazy and temps are in the mid to high eighties.

Going to remove and install the old drivers for now.
 
Okay fair enough. It just narks me off the amount of times I've seen drivers acting dodgy software wise despite going through long QA processes from several companies.

This also includes games that I've worked on and QA haven't spotted obvious bugs, yet my housemate's QA process is bulletproof with an army of Japanese testing his games :D
 
OrphanBoy said:
Oh I agree - but how DO they test graphics drivers then? I can't believe MS get a new driver in and say "come on, how many combinations are there to test??" and say "**** it, just pass it" :D
Some driver drops are more publicly visible than others - I'd imagine graphics drivers are used by 1000s more people than say obscure web cam drivers. They should at least be tested more thoroughly!
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Yes but you're talking about a problem here which isn't as obvious as "install driver, oh the PC just blew up immediatley!"

Anyway it's a mute point as pointed out by others....what next for Nvidia, it's literally as bad as that at the moment, PR disaster after PR disaster...
 
Surely when they test the drivers, they assure the temps are correct, that there are no bugs and quality test on all available cards?
 
dave1983 said:
Surely when they test the drivers, they assure the temps are correct, that there are no bugs and quality test on all available cards?
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There is no concept of QA at NV at the moment, after showing a card which was obviously made of wood, if their QA process was up to scratch, it would have at least looked believable.
 
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