Ubisoft's New DRM Cracked In Under 25-Hours

[Sayso]

Besides, this is what... £30. I imagine most people complaining would drink that away within a couple of weeks.

ive drunk that much while reading this thread!!

I don't bother pirating games but the first thing i do is download the no-cd cracks/DRM removal.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

I can't believe some of you are actually happy they have been cracked it will come to a point where companies will give up on making pc games cause w*****s don't wanna pay for them and will just crack download them.

I agree with the viewpoint that it's bad as people wont pay and PC gaming will die out etc...
However, as someone whos gaming PC is rarely connected to the internet, I detest this system. Of course, people will just use the "it's 2010, why isn't it always online every minute of the day..." This is not how it works though.
This concept will probably be foreign to most in the gaming forums but... Some people just don't have 24 hour internet access.

Publishers/Developers need to stop shafting the legitimate buyers, and go out to find ways of stopping the online distribution instead.

I REALLY don't see what the fuss is about. Everyone has an internet connection, otherwise they couldn't play the games. So they can also download the crack.

The majority of games I play are offline, if they have multiplayer it's LAN or nothing for me...
Whilst I can access the internet it is pretty unreliable. And to correct you. NOT EVERYONE has an internet connection.

 

[snowdog]

So are Ubisoft bringing out a patch to disable the DRM now that it's cracked and it only hurts legitimate users?

Of course not, they're idiots. Not that ubi have brought out a PC game really worth playing in the past years (imo).

I agree with the viewpoint that it's bad as people wont pay and PC gaming will die out etc...

Me too, but I don't agree with the relation bigjimmyauk draws between piracy and not buying... Someone downloading a game does not me he/she won't buy it, and the way I see it someone downloading a game barely ever means a lost sale, if someone really wants a game he'll buy it anyhow and I think some downloaders never had the intention to buy anything... He instantly assumes all pirates aren't willing to pay for games. He also assumes that people who use cracks are always pirates, get this jimmy, I always crack ALL my retail legit games, can't be arsed with some ****ty DRM crap, and many others feel the same. Using a crack does not equal not buying the game. Downloading a game doesn't mean it won't be bought. And most importantly, downloads do not equal lost sales.

Ok, there may be some people who indeed, download the game, and if they couldn't download it they would buy it. I believe this is a small minority, outnumbered by 2 other groups:
Downloaders who will never buy a game.
''Try before Buying'' Pirates. ( or even pirates who pre-ordered a game, but the game leaked out earlier, and they download it so they can play it sooner, I tried this with GTA IV as I really couldn't wait en extra day for the game to arrive.)

And to repeat once more, using cracks and pirates are 2 entirely different things.

 

[Tefal]

the internet is not unnecessary

yes it is.

Otherwise this crack would not work.

you guys speak like you have never used steam or the internet

Steam has off-line mode, this crashes the game and loses any unsaved data.

its not even like we are talking about the internet being unreliable - its not is it ? my connection hasnt had a problem the year ive had it

Sure my connection has never failed.

Router on the other hand and windows wireless has a spat and decides to reset/lose connection every couple opf days for a few seconds.

Not an issue with steam or anything else aside from mp games but people wait for the 30 seconds it takes me to reconnect then, this loses all my unsaved sp data when that happens...

id rather have this system over stupid install limits

I'd rather have neither.




Fortunately all the makers of worthwhile games don't use such systems.

It's the generic pap that use such over the top DRM.

 

[npjnpj]

@ Emlyn Dewar: Yes, that was worded badly. What I meant was:

"Everyone who wants to play games that NEED the internet has an internet connection, otherwise they couldn't play the games."

 

[Borrish]

Why are we going over the entire "Piracy is bad mkay" argument again? What does it mater if you're for or against it? DRM doesn't and never has stopped piracy. It's a waste of money for the developers and, as various games have proven, it WILL lose them sales.

I think you've all forgotten the thread you're posting in. Ubisoft spent time and money developing DRM that has done NOTHING that old style CD keys and copy protection wouldn't have achieved. The thread on this DRM before showed how annoyed people were.

So let's look at the end result of Ubisoft's DRM. The pirates are happily downloading it anyway. At least some people will have refused to buy the game, or simply can't because it requires the internet. How does anyone benefit from this? Ubisoft are even more out of pocket then if they hadn't have bothered and now the customers that have paid for it are annoyed at what they have to do just to play the game.

Piracy is NOT going to kill the gaming industry. What could is that PC developers insist on making us install crap just to play they're games. Let's for a moment compare a X360 game to a DRM heavy game like Dawn Of War 2. To play a game on the X360 all I do is put the DvD in, download any update and that's it. To play Dawn of War 2 I have to install the game, then install steam, then update steam, then set up a steam account, update the game, then set up a games for windows live account.

THAT is the problem with PC games.

 

[gettothechopper]

the problem here is that the publishers obviously think that piracy is a problem
what can they do? they have a right to make whatever they want (no matter how stupid) if you think you can live with it then buy it,

they dont owe us anything - they make games for us to BUY so that they can MAKE MONEY - not for any other reason

the argument that no drm would equal no piracy is stupid - its like saying that no police would equal no crime, people need to stop making up BS reasons to legitimise their theft and if they choose to steal then fine but you have to take the consequences if you get caught (one of which is that we end up with crappy console ports because no one wants to invest in us)

 

[Frenzy]

You do realise steam is a form of DRM yea? As much as I like steam, they could go bust and shutdown their servers, leaving you with no playable games.

im pretty sure you get a cd key with each game you purchase on steam therefore enabling you to acquire the game anywhere as long as the key is used.

 

[snowdog]

the problem here is that the publishers obviously think that piracy is a problem
what can they do? they have a right to make whatever they want (no matter how stupid) if you think you can live with it then buy it,

They also have the right to fail miserably and go bankrupt if they make **** and have rubbish policy's and limitations like DRM.

they dont owe us anything - they make games for us to BUY so that they can MAKE MONEY - not for any other reason

Exactly, so if they make rubbish like this, they are punished in their pockets for it. I refuse to buy games with this kind of **** implemented, unless there's a workaround, in which case I'd use that. But in Ubi's case, they haven't made a game in looooong time that is decent enough for me to pay for imo.

the argument that no drm would equal no piracy is stupid - its like saying that no police would equal no crime, people need to stop making up BS reasons to legitimise their theft and if they choose to steal then fine but you have to take the consequences if you get caught (one of which is that we end up with crappy console ports because no one wants to invest in us)

Who here claims ''no drm=no piracy'' ?
I'm saying no drm is one less reason to pirate it, there are many many others.

 

[gettothechopper]

^^^ exactly ! they are entitled to make crap and fail BUT only because of people NOT buying their games and NOT becuase of downloading them for free

the circular argument is because the publisher doesnt sell as many games as they want to because their game is bad - BUT they blame piracy as the problem

pirates then claim its because the game is crappy that they didnt buy it and instead stole it

see they dont ever fix the reason that the game got pirated - BECAUSE of the piracy

 

[snowdog]

^^^ exactly ! they are entitled to make crap and fail BUT only because of people NOT buying their games and NOT becuase of downloading them for free

the circular argument is because the publisher doesnt sell as many games as they want to because their game is bad - BUT they blame piracy as the problem

pirates then claim its because the game is crappy that they didnt buy it and instead stole it

see they dont ever fix the reason that the game got pirated - BECAUSE of the piracy

Yep, but in the end, they are the ones who suffer not us, if they want to be stubborn and blame it on piracy then let them be and go bankrupt or stop releasing rubbish on pc.

 

[gettothechopper]

thing is they dont suffer much they just get ****ed off and go make console games instead :'(

 

[Surfer]

So... if a connection has to be active to Ubisoft when you are playing SH5 my question is uhh what kind of access do they have to YOUR computer?

Is it a level of access which means they could compromise your system. Secondly if so - uhh this is lawful?


Thirdly...im getting more than sick at the damn publishing big boys constantly coming up with ways to kick mr joe bloggs law abiding citizen in the nads...for no other reason than they are upset at mr jack sparrow & co but ofc they cant stop captn jack so lets bully the innocent man who is supporting us lolage...

As far as i am concerned if i pay for a product then i will do what i damn please with it as long as i dont reverse-engineer it and make loads of copies to sell....if i want to wipe my bum with it then sod em ITS MINE i will do so...this bs about not being allowed to utilize the 1 product on different devices FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU.................


Its crazy this capitalist society we live in....mr capitalist wants to sell stuff to us but instead of selling the PRODUCT he then wants more profit so he then sells us the frikin LICENCE to it only....with allsorts of stupid conditions....so you aint bought no product or diddly squat... you bought a piece of paper which gives you permission to do x thing with that product and god help you if you dare do anything else with it......

Viva le revolution.... seriously someone setup a facebook acc that is about fighting back against this BS.....

 

[Amnesia]

the argument that no drm would equal no piracy is stupid - its like saying that no police would equal no crime, people need to stop making up BS reasons to legitimise their theft

where are you getting all this from ?

 

[britboy4321]

The way the world is supposed to work is someone puts something up for sale with whatever conditions they want.

Then the customer thinks either 'I accept I'll have it' or 'I don't accept I won't have it'

THE END

It's impossible to justify theft/stealing even using such watertight arguments as 'It isn't an awesome good therefore I can steal it' or 'They had Ts and Cs I didn't like so stealing their product is fine'.

If you want to try before hand and they don't let you .. you're back to EXACTLY THE SAME CHOICE .. 'Buy it, or do not buy it'. IT'S THE SAME FOR ALL GOODS ON THE MARKET, you are not being hard done buy with regards to comp games. It's the same with Kelloggs cornflakes. It's the same with BMW 5 series cars. Its the same with tennis equipment. Stealing the goods is the same too even though it 'feels' not as bad because you don't have to leave your house to do it.

'Steal it to have a go on it' simply will never, ever, ever be a reasonable way to justify theft. I can't think of a decent reason for theft. If you guys are going to steal software or shoplift or con companies out of money or copy other people's hard produced works .. that's one thing. But pretending it's somehow morally OK -- that's just bizarre .. at least have the courage to say 'I admit it, I'm a thief'. Don't pretend somehow its 'OK' because - I dunno - the CD has a green sleeve and you don't like the colour green.



If you write a book, spending 9 months of hard graft, and I illegally photocopied it and put it ALL OVER THE INTERNET so anyone could get it, because you offered me complete rights for £500 I thought that was too much money .. do you think I have behaved reasonably? Would my actions be justified?

Deep down even you know stealing is difficult to justify, ain't it!

 

[Amnesia]

so the people who are laughing because ubisofts DRM got cracked within 24 hours are thieves all of a sudden ?

 

[Borrish]

I honestly don't remember reading a post saying that this is a good thing because we can all steal it. You're making the false assumption that because someone dislikes DRM that they must be a pirate.

 

[britboy4321]

so the people who are laughing because ubisofts DRM got cracked within 24 hours are thieves all of a sudden ?

no, the people that illegally copy games are thieves. And not all of a sudden, they have been since they started thieving.

 

[Amnesia]

no, the people that illegally copy games are thieves. And not all of a sudden, they have been since they started thieving.

not quite how you worded your post originally

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

What I am picking up, the general mood is:
This DRM is utter BS, any DRM that punishes the legitimate customer is stupid, piracy is a problem, Ubisoft are rubbish anyway.
I'm not seeing a large volume of people saying that piracy is good.

Make a **** DRM system, people are going to laugh and see it as a positive thing when it's ruined.