Thats not really the point tho... ATI have upped the game (like it or not) with tessellation and heaven so far is its poster child... beating the competition here is a trophy victory so obviously nVidia have been optimizing like crazy for it.
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NVIDIA GTX 480 makes benchmarking debut, matches ATI HD 5870 performance (video)
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So....given all the negative reaction by forum members, i'm expecting loads of unsold cards come launch day and prices quickly falling.
yeah right....
We all know there will be enough people on here who will buy the cards at whatever price and performance level they actually are, resulting in stock shortages and ensure all this forum bitching matters not one bit....
yeah right....
We all know there will be enough people on here who will buy the cards at whatever price and performance level they actually are, resulting in stock shortages and ensure all this forum bitching matters not one bit....
So....given all the negative reaction by forum members, i'm expecting loads of unsold cards come launch day and prices quickly falling.
yeah right....
We all know there will be enough people on here who will buy the cards at whatever price and performance level they actually are, resulting in stock shortages and ensure all this forum bitching matters not one bit....
If the rumours are true that there will be only 5000 available worldwide so maybe 250 in the uk and hence 25 at ocuk, I am sure they will all sell within an hour.
So....given all the negative reaction by forum members, i'm expecting loads of unsold cards come launch day and prices quickly falling.
yeah right....
We all know there will be enough people on here who will buy the cards at whatever price and performance level they actually are, resulting in stock shortages and ensure all this forum bitching matters not one bit....
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Considering how Nvidia probably have noticed that the world is waiting anxiously for the release of Fermi, I think they would only show the best benchmark out of the series of different benchmarks that were run on both companies' best single GPU offering. For all we know, the 5870 could have clearly beaten the 480 GTX in average FPS and minimum FPS in the Crysis benchmark.
What I am saying is that the fanboyism is through the roof with this benchmark release. It is a shred of hope for the fanboys to cling to while they await the Fermi release.
What I am saying is that the fanboyism is through the roof with this benchmark release. It is a shred of hope for the fanboys to cling to while they await the Fermi release.
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blow the red/green loving I don't care. What matters to me is who makes the fastest card I can afford and justify to buy. So far I'm seeing nothing from fermi that will result in downward pressure on ati's prices.
People will buy these regardless but i'm betting many of those people would never buy an ati card anyway so whilst ati will lose a few potential customers they'll still have the best offerings on the market. Unless NV are prepared to sell these at sub / similiar prices to the 5870 nothing much will change. It won't happen but isn't actually that silly - As things stand Ati wins the willy waving contest hands down, how ironic would it be for Nv to do an ati and price a good useable card at sensible money?? At least they'd save some face...
People will buy these regardless but i'm betting many of those people would never buy an ati card anyway so whilst ati will lose a few potential customers they'll still have the best offerings on the market. Unless NV are prepared to sell these at sub / similiar prices to the 5870 nothing much will change. It won't happen but isn't actually that silly - As things stand Ati wins the willy waving contest hands down, how ironic would it be for Nv to do an ati and price a good useable card at sensible money?? At least they'd save some face...
Im still loyal to NV so as soon as its out will be buying 1 with the rest of my pc. I got the case and other bits but will buy the card motherboard ram chip and cooler all in 1 go 
. i dont know which card will be better or in way totally care what i will base it on is what im used to. By my experiance NV put more work into drivers wile ATI come up with new ideas 1st. and coming up with new ideas 1st isnt always the best as not many games will use it so being 2nd to relaise something may give you the edge on that when yours comes out theres more for it.
PS Has any1 heard at all if when these cars do come out can you still use a 2nd card for Phys X or will you need a DX11 pysx card ?.
. i dont know which card will be better or in way totally care what i will base it on is what im used to. By my experiance NV put more work into drivers wile ATI come up with new ideas 1st. and coming up with new ideas 1st isnt always the best as not many games will use it so being 2nd to relaise something may give you the edge on that when yours comes out theres more for it.PS Has any1 heard at all if when these cars do come out can you still use a 2nd card for Phys X or will you need a DX11 pysx card ?.
Correct me if I'm wrong, can't remember when/where I read this, but doesn't 5 Series have a fixed amount or whatevers (yeah, technical here) for tesselation completely seperate from the rest of the GPU, but NV just use the general pool for the job? So adding extra complexities to the scene other than tesselation would cause gtx480 to rapidly drop fps and 5870 to sit pretty solid (up until it gets too complex)...
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Im still loyal to NV so as soon as its out will be buying 1 with the rest of my pc. I got the case and other bits but will buy the card motherboard ram chip and cooler all in 1 go
PS Has any1 heard at all if when these cars do come out can you still use a 2nd card for Phys X or will you need a DX11 pysx card ?.
Maybe you should do a little more reading on NV drivers. They are putting that much effort in that there drivers have been rubbish for over a year and getting that bad that they are killing cards. If this is whats meant by putting lots of effort in i would hate to see them not putting lots of effort in. My 8800gtx was a great card but died a month ago after installing new drivers. Its probably just a coincidence but a lot of 8 series cards seem to be failing as of late.
More or less... the nVidia method is load balanced over the entire shader pipeline tho so clusters where the polymorph engine isn't tied up processing tessellation can be used for other types of processing - and even when the GPU is going flat out in gaming you rarely tie up every single cluster 100% - so you can absorb some of the tessellation workload in there so its not as bad as some people would like to make out.
The ATI 5 series does have a dedicated tessellation unit but it would appear that it doesn't have the raw performance to exploit the disadvantages of nVidia's implementation so the actual specifics of each method is pretty much a moot point for this round.
Amen brother.
Correct me if l am wrong but doesn't this in theory allow ATI to simply change the tessellation unit without changing the architecture at all? So that means that they could drop a twice as powerful tessellation unit in 5890?
Seems like a sweet deal for ATI if what i am saying is possible.
Seems like a sweet deal for ATI if what i am saying is possible.
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no wonder people are moving away from nvidia if only 5000 are avalible on launch day,i would guess if thats the case i would think the uk would get a lot less than 250 cards around 100 would be a better number.you have to take into account the jap/chineese,yank and aussie markets my guess for the numbers would be
jap/chineese 2500
yank 2000
eur/uk 300
aus 200
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It also seems (from what I have been reading on the net) that ATi are making better drivers nowadays anyway...
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It also seems (from what I have been reading on the net) that ATi are making better drivers nowadays anyway...
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