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Why do people feel the need to offer bad advice on upgrades?

The way you childlishly "fixed" his post earlier, I'd have stopped reading your replies too

He has done it first, so it's his own fault for starting this. I've only used his own type of argument.

Also done a little search and it looks like he's been bashing every single person that tries to buy AMD since 2006 just because intel had something faster for double the price.

New games and windows 7 really need a quad these days.

Is it me or are people letting brand loyalty dictate their supposedly expert advice?


Go i5 and rid yourself of slow amd tech at the same price point


An AM2 @ 2.6ghz is slow by todays standards.

50 quid extra is worth it for C2D.



If anyone is a fanboy here, it's the OP.

I've never said intel is bad, I'm building both AMD and intel rigs, starting from athlonII, phenomII through i5 and i7.

Intel is sure faster in some tasks, but in others, there is no noticeable difference. It's also more expensive. Just because AMD CPUs are usually slower than intel, that doesn't mean they're not up to particular task.

Take this as an example, let's say AMD is a ferrari or porsche and intel is bugatti veyron - sure the veyron is **** beast, but that doesn't make the ferrari slow, it's actually faster than most people will ever need and could break all speeds limits easily. Both will find it's customers and both are great - but at the different price points and for different people. And no, no no no no no, it is not the same price if you're doing a proper build, 965 with 150quid mobo isn't proper choice so stop bringing that example up.


Trying to tell someone that he needs to spend 800-1000quid on PC where in reality he'll be just as happy with a one that cost 400-600 is bad advice in my opinion. Maybe 5-8yrs ago that was different but now over the past year or two, the PC hardware has moved forward so much, that even 2-3yr old gear has still plenty of power even for heavy users without mentioning the newest tech. Even for encoding, I bet most of the photo/video/sound editing companies still use old quads or even dual cores, and they're fine somehow?
Most of them do their editing on a macbook or at most mac pro with E6400x2 or Q6600 sort of CPU at best.

Telling people that they need to spend all money they've got or maybe even save for extra 2 months just to get the faster current available rig because anything cheaper won't be good enough is totally wrong.


ocUK still has e5300 dual core builds up and just putted a new phenom 1 build last week, and I'm not suprised that they claim that it's still good and fast hardware, even considering its age, but oh no, easyrider claims that everything below i5 or i7 is slow, sluggish and useless and can't even run win7 properly.


The performance was and still is very good. I know new phenoms are quick, but this is an overclocked quad core AMD gaming machine, albeit an entry level one, but it does support Direct X 11 and have some nice benchmark scores under its belt from online reviews (the GPU and CPU that is).

All under £500 is not too bad at all.

Phil

The performance was, and still is very good.
So is the one of athlonIIs and phenomII chips.
They're nowhere near slow and even the 35quid athlonII is more than enough for some.


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Very well, if the Dons agree with the OP that all AMD cpu's are useless and slow and can't run anything and that the intel is the one and only possible choice for everyone then please, feel free to ban me.

I'm outta this thread.

Regards,

Phoenix
 
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i had an E8400 at 3.6 with gigabyte P43 mobo with 1066 kingston memory. along with my 4870x2. in summer i wanted to upgrade to a core i7 and was told it was pointless. my core i7 rig spanks all over my E8400. still got same card. core i7 is an awesome setup and am happy i bought an i7. If you want to upgrade just do it. if it doesnt have the benefits you expected atleast your have future proofed. I dont mean to be rude people just make up what they have heard from others without even having upgraded.
 
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i had an E8400 at 3.6 with gigabyte P43 mobo with 1066 kingston memory. along with my 4870x2. in summer i wanted to upgrade to a core i7 and was told it was pointless. my core i7 rig spanks all over my E8400. still got same card. core i7 is an awesome setup and am happy i bought an i7. If you want to upgrade just do it. if it doesnt have the benefits you expected atleast your have future proofed. I dont mean to be rude people just make up what they have heard from others without even having upgraded.

Yeah I agree,

To many with mediocre systems that are making do.

Fact there is really no need to just make do.

You get the fastest kit for your budget in any given price range.

I mean its such an easy concept to understand I'm surprised some people don't get it :p
 
Example:

"I have 500 to spend on an upgrade I have been looking at these two specs.Which would you get?"

I use my PC for everything..


Intel Core i7 930 2.80Ghz (Bloomfield) (Socket LGA1366) - OEM £229.99
(£195.74) £229.99
(£195.74)
Asus P6T SE Intel X58 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard £149.99
(£127.65) £149.99
(£127.65)
OCZ Gold 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 Low-Voltage Triple Channel (OCZ3G1333LV6GK) £108.98
(£92.75) £108.98
(£92.75)
Sub Total : £416.14
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £9.50
VAT is being charged at 17.50% VAT : £74.49
Total : £500.13


AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition 3.40GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £149.99
(£127.65) £149.99
(£127.65)
Gigabyte GA-790FXTA-UD5 (Socket AM3) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard £145.99
(£124.25) £145.99
(£124.25)
Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMD4GX3M2A1600C8) £139.99
(£119.14) £139.99
(£119.14)
Sub Total : £371.04
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £9.00
VAT is being charged at 17.50% VAT : £66.51
Total : £446.55


Well anyone who suggest's the AMD rig clearly knows very little about PC hardware.

And yet I see it all the time.

Then we get the old little chestnut

"Well do you really need all that power?"

"why don't you get a Phenom II X2 instead and save some money....It will do everything you need"

OP - Well I have £500 to spend on an upgrade ...Just tell me which is the fastest please...Thats all
 
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And no, no no no no no, it is not the same price if you're doing a proper build, 965 with 150quid mobo isn't proper choice so stop bringing that example up.

HELLO.

And you've picked corsair dominator on top of that to get that extra 60quid huh ?

How about:
955 - 136GBP
Asus M4A79XTD Evo (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard - 89GBP
Patrtiot G Series Sector 5 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 - 80GBP
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TOTAL = 305GBP ?

305 VS 500 now that makes more sense no ?
That's almost 5850 there (or 4890x2 which is even better) and could do with even cheaper board if not going for CF.

What if I take your tactic and pick expensive mobo and ram for i7 as well just like you do ?
Lets see:

i7 930 - 240GBP
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 Intel X58 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard- 270GBP
Corsair Dominator 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 - 242GBP
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TOTAL = 752

that's more than double the price now is it ?
BUT OH WAIT THEY'RE AT THE SAME PRICE POINT !


Stop bringing useless examples to prove your point.
Everyone that spends 140quid on RAM with 965 and 150 mobo is a moron and should buy i5 or i7 instead - that's the only thing I agree with you so far I think.


Seriously....
 
The point is he was making was 500 quid on a 965 system or 500 on an i7 system so the dominators brings the 965 closer to the £500 mark, however on that budget even making a sacrifice of slacker memory for your money you are getting a far superior system
 
I upgraded my PC the other week from a E6300 (1.8GHz/Conroe/2MB old school variant) to a Q6600. Also the RAM from 4GB to 8GB.

The motherboard is (and remains) a Gigabyte 965P DS4. The whole PC was first built in Feb 2007.

The total upgrade (CPU and RAM) cost me about £200. The original in 2007 cost about £750.

Am I cheapskate? Or am I wise upgrader? :)
 
I upgraded my PC the other week from a E6300 (1.8GHz/Conroe/2MB old school variant) to a Q6600. Also the RAM from 4GB to 8GB.

The motherboard is (and remains) a Gigabyte 965P DS4. The whole PC was first built in Feb 2007.

The total upgrade (CPU and RAM) cost me about £200. The original in 2007 cost about £750.

Am I cheapskate? Or am I wise upgrader? :)

Not sure tbh

I upgraded to i7 for £300 although I only have 6GB ram:p

i7 920 bought on MM for 100
Asus P6T bought on MM for 100
Patriot Viper 6GB bought for 100
 
I upgraded to Phenom 2 for nothing. Sold E8400 and EP45T-UD3P for 150, bought x3 705e and MA790XT-UD4P for 150

I wanted i5 but even with MM prices the cost of the chip alone is nearly how much I paid for the AM3 chip + mobo.

Seems like wise upgrading to me...
 
In my experience most of the 'bad advice' is telling people to buy far more powerful systems and especially PSUs than they need to.
 
I upgraded my PC the other week from a E6300 (1.8GHz/Conroe/2MB old school variant) to a Q6600. Also the RAM from 4GB to 8GB.

The motherboard is (and remains) a Gigabyte 965P DS4. The whole PC was first built in Feb 2007.

The total upgrade (CPU and RAM) cost me about £200. The original in 2007 cost about £750.

Am I cheapskate? Or am I wise upgrader? :)

If the E6300 was overclocked to 3.0-3.2GHz and the Q6600 similar, I'd say it wouldn't offer much unless you do a lot of encoding, rendering etc.

A ~3GHz (overclocked) Core 2 Duo (of any variety including the Pentium branded ones) are perfectly fast enough for most stuff.
 
Offering bad advice has been rife on this forum ever since I've been a member - and that was 'pre nuke' so around 1999.

People have always, and will continue to pretend that they know something, it's a shame.
 
If the E6300 was overclocked to 3.0-3.2GHz and the Q6600 similar, I'd say it wouldn't offer much unless you do a lot of encoding, rendering etc.

A ~3GHz (overclocked) Core 2 Duo (of any variety including the Pentium branded ones) are perfectly fast enough for most stuff.

Whats most stuff?
 
In many ways I am glad my overclocked Q6600 is standing the test of time so well. I haven't researched overly beyond performance figures (as I don't need to upgrade with what I have at the moment) but all the conflicting advice and squabbling that exists on this forum when it comes to the current "up to date" sockets and cpus would make me look elsewhere and this is unfortunate.

I still can't believe I have seen advice that suggests upgrading from a decent socket 775 system that really doesn't currently need upgrading, (unless someone is a hardcore encoder or renderer etc etc) it's mind boggling sometimes. Some people come on wanting to upgrade regardless, they know their system is fine but want the lastest shiney things and we all do that at some point. However someone who asks "Do I really need to upgrade this when the most taxing thing I make my comptuer do is play games" only to be told to drop his old Quad Core 775 or whatever for something he doesn't need... well I agree with easyrider here, it's morally wrong. Wrong based on the fact it is regularly just fanboyism pushing the advice and occasionally someone who isn't as clued up as he or she may think.

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone either. I happen to think those who some people would deem as the "ringleaders" with regards to fanboyism are switched on people at any rate.

Ah well, maybe I will be diving headlong into the next generation of sockets so hopefully people will have all gathered around the camp fire to start singing kumbaya by then :).
 
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I normaly tell new Buyers that dont know much about PC's to buy a Dell PC, Why?

Dell offers great service, Customer service, Warrenty.

Price is ok, good for low end and mid range pc's

Perfect for the standerd user :D
 
I normaly tell new Buyers that dont know much about PC's to buy a Dell PC, Why?

Dell offers great service, Customer service, Warrenty.

Price is ok, good for low end and mid range pc's

Perfect for the standerd user :D

Lol, ok - I retract my "You Win" statement.

Dell is pretty aweful for desktops if you want crazy things like quality components and upgradability.

If someone asks me advice about getting a new PC. I first explain to them about PC building and give them an idea what they can get for their money. I then usually send them here, and if they don't want to build it then I recommend them some decent pre-built PCs, OCUK shop is high on the list. If the person is a friend or family member I will spec them up a system and help them build it.

Just palming them off to dell is a cop out.
 
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