Falken ZE912 vs Kumho KU31

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Apologies for another 'recommend me some tyres' thread. ;)

Given my budget, I'm looking to buy a full set of Falken ZE912's or Kumho KU31's in 195/45/R15 fitment for my summer/ light track wheels.

I'm reading a lot of positive comments for both tyres, but which of the two would you choose? Anyone used both?

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From what I've heard from many, the KU31s are pretty much pants unless you have a car with reasonable weight behind is, due to their hard compound, so bare that in mind if your car is a light one (Last person to tell me this, drives an Elise).

Never heard of the 912s, but the 452s I had for a couple of weeks in the Winter seemed promising, and they are well regarded on various forums.

I would, however, look at spending a little more on Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas - they are repeatedly praised for the steering response and feedback they provide, coming #2 in the Evo tyre test, bettered only by the F1, on mostly minor, dry grip situations.
 
From what I've heard from many, the KU31s are pretty much pants unless you have a car with reasonable weight behind is, due to their hard compound, so bare that in mind if your car is a light one (Last person to tell me this, drives an Elise).

Never heard of the 912s, but the 452s I had for a couple of weeks in the Winter seemed promising, and they are well regarded on various forums.

I would, however, look at spending a little more on Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas - they are repeatedly praised for the steering response and feedback they provide, coming #2 in the Evo tyre test, bettered only by the F1, on mostly minor, dry grip situations.

That's surprising to hear as they are popular amongst VX220 owners, and my Civic isn't exactly heavy at 1030kg.

912's are good tyres but I'd stick with Kumho. I don't think 452's are available in the size Leeum requires.
 
But most VX220s probably sit either at 30mph or in a garage in the wet, and then probably rarely see a track.

The report I received is from a seasoned track day enthusiast.

Even the Evo tests said they lacked feel, response and feedback iirc.
 
Firstly the Falken 912 is not quite in the same league as the 452 or the Kumho mentioned here, it's a lower performance tyre, designed more for comfort.

I've heard some positive things about both, quite a bit of good stuff about the Kumho's, but I've been reading about tyres with regard to heavier rear wheel drive cars, and different tyres can suite different cars really, they might work with a 1,700kg 5 series, but an Elise weighing almost half that ...probably not so well.

Several observations have cropped up consistently for each tyre though, along with all the usual hype and bs you get of course, with regards to use on various BMW's.

The Falken seems to be fairly prone to tramlining and the wear rate isn't brilliant, although not terrible and road noise is relatively high on the Falken, the Kumho creates less road noise and has generally better wear rates (indeed suggesting it's a bit harder, although I would have expected this to mean more noise, but this is what I have read) but has been critisied for lacking 'feel'. Indeed both tyres seem to me to be a bit of a compromise in at least one area.

I am as yet undecided what tyres to buy myself, but I am leaning heavily towards a set of Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas, if I were to pick between the Falken and the Kumho ...well that's tough, but based on what I have read I think I would go with the Kumho for my car.

Problem is almost everyone has something different to say about these tyres, some are clearly basing their opinions on previous experience with Ling Long and think they are the most amazing things ever, others have no doubt used top of the line performance tyres from Goodyear and Bridestone etc and have a different view. It's hard to say for certain without trying them yourself really. I have noticed that some of the same observations come up time and again though as I said, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say, those are probably 'reasonably' accurate then.

One other tyre you could consider in the same sort of bracket as the Falken 452 and the Kumho KU31 is the Avon ZZ3, which offers good grip levels but are a little softer than either of the others and tend to wear quite quickly, ...so they might suite a lighter weight car better than the others. I have Avon ZZ3s on the back of my 540, I did not put them on, the previous owner did but the grip they offer even with only 3mm of tread left is quite good, I've no doubt they are much better when they are new, I've used Continental Sport Contact 2s with similarly low levels of tread remaining and they've been awful, really slick, although in fairness that was a different car so hard to compare directly.
 
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Last week I put four Falken FK 452 on the ST, I can't really say much at this stage other than they work.
The biggest improvement is I suspect from getting the alignment done properly on a hunter (fast road setup) and getting the wheels and new tyres balanced correctly at the same time.
 
From what I've heard from many, the KU31s are pretty much pants unless you have a car with reasonable weight behind is, due to their hard compound, so bare that in mind if your car is a light one (Last person to tell me this, drives an Elise).

One of the gys on the integra forum thinks they are great, and this is with his stripped out track Teg. Others have also reported them being pretty damn good.

So this certainly isn't fact. All we have here is a collection of opinions from different blokes with totally different cars. You can't generalise for example 'light car drivers watch out' as there are light car drivers who think they are great.

:)
 
i thoguht the kumhos were supposed to be bad on heavier cars according to the rumour mill

Rofl, probably yea, most of the opinions seem to conflict, like I've gleaned that they are quite decent on heavier cars from reading. Who knows what is truly the case though.
 
From what I've heard from many, the KU31s are pretty much pants unless you have a car with reasonable weight behind it
i thoguht the kumhos were supposed to be bad on heavier cars according to the rumour mill

And i'm guessing this is why Fox doesn't listen to the internet. One person says one thing, the other says another - both are equally unqualified so who do you believe?

Answer: No one - and buy tyres that have been tested in a controlled environment, by people who know something about tyres, so at least their opinion has weight.
 
lolz i think it was a guy on here with an m5 that said they werent fantastic, the m5 is a pretty big car. practically everyone else has raved about them though
 
One of the gys on the integra forum thinks they are great, and this is with his stripped out track Teg. Others have also reported them being pretty damn good.

So this certainly isn't fact. All we have here is a collection of opinions from different blokes with totally different cars. You can't generalise for example 'light car drivers watch out' as there are light car drivers who think they are great.

:)

Integra light and Elise light are two different things ;)

Most Integra owners with half a clue that I've seen moan about every tyre that isn't the standard Bridgestone(?), or at least what Bridgestone have replaced it with. But most of the trouble is, as someone as highlighted above, there are so many people that have come from their previous car with four different ultra-budget tyres, and suddenly when they get a quick car and decide to become so interested in tyres they want to buy a set that are half the price of the upper end of the market, and proclaim that they are the best thing since sliced bread.

I also know several people who swear by Kuhmos, but only one has tried so many different tyres on the same car, and repeatedly gone back to the same tracks, and thats the opinion I'm going to believe (backed up by Evo's tyre test).
 
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Integra light and Elise light are two different things ;)

You didn't say that before, now what are the different scales of lightness as you're heading this way? :p:p


I also know several people who swear by Kuhmos, but only one has tried so many different tyres on the same car, and repeatedly gone back to the same tracks, and thats the opinion I'm going to believe (backed up by Evo's tyre test).

I'm the same as you. It's nice to get peoples views on new tyres, but having a direct comparison with brands of tires on the same car and driven in the same way on the same roads/tracks is much more useful than them saying how great new tyre 'x' is coming from part bald P6000 :D
 
I am going from Goodyear GSD3 on the front of mine to KU31.
Previously this car has had Falken 452s also.

The GSD3 outperformed the 452 consistently in ALL areas, except in snow, where I found GSD3 useless :p
The 452 is not bad tyre though, its better than a nankang, or linglong type tyre. It also wears longer than the GSD3 which is always usefull.

I won't have the KU31 on till Tuesday or Wednesday, but report online all state that they are good on similar cars as mine.

I would hope they would grip slightly better than the 452, wear longer than the GSD3. As long as the tyre sits between the performance levels provided by the other two, with some longevity, then I will happy :)
 
From what I've heard from many, the KU31s are pretty much pants unless you have a car with reasonable weight behind is, due to their hard compound, so bare that in mind if your car is a light one (Last person to tell me this, drives an Elise).

What nonsense. My Golf is hardly a lard-arse, and the KU31s are markedly better than the Toyo T1Rs that were on the car previously. I find the KU31 a superb tyre, both in the wet and dry :)
 
Again, I choose to listen to the person that has tested a wide range of tyres on the same can and at the same tracks, as well as one of the more respected motoring publications. You have your opinion of them, its different, and that is fine, but it is not nonsense.

Comparing them to T1Rs also means nothing to me, I have a very low opinion of them from experience.
 
Ok, we get your point that you don't think some people on here are worthy enough to give meaningful experiences on tyres tried ;)

Now let the discussion continue about the tires rather than choosing who should be listened to and whether their financial choices on tires qualifies them to have a valid view.

:)
 
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