Building a shuttle gaming PC

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Hi fella's. I've been out of the pc hardware circles for a fairly long time, and things seem to have come a long way since I installed my last video card. To give you some idea about how long ago this was... it was a voodoo.

I've been using macs now for a good seven or eight years, so haven't had to dabble with internal components for at least that length of time. If ever I had the itch to shoot some Germans, I just whacked whatever incarnation of windows was the most stable at the time onto my imacs through bootcamp, and all was swell. For what little gaming I have been doing recently, this has been perfect. However, I've been following BioWare's new Star Wars MMO project quite closely for a couple of years now, and decided to put together a machine for when it finally comes out between now and next summer.

I will still be running my 24"iMac, so decided that the less garish looking the final pc build, the better (So no alien cases or any of that nonsense). Having looked around online a bit, the cases shuttle have to offer seem perfect -- however, I understand that they can be somewhat limiting in terms of not only space, but power and cooling.

That aside, I was wondering if it is possible to put together a relatively *awesome* gaming rig built from a shuttle barebones system, that I can spend the next few months putting together as the paychecks keep coming in, while avoiding the above issues.

This is where you guys come in; I'm completely clueless. I feel comfortable enough putting the thing together, but I really have no clue when it comes to things like motherboards. I was hoping that if I list what I want in the system, someone smarter than me might be able to tell me A) if it will fit B) whether I'm going to be over the power limits C) if my whole house is going to burst into a shuttle fuelled inferno and D) exactly what components I should shop for, prices, and comparisons (based on +/- a few $$ and the benefits etc).

So what I had in mind was something along these lines:

Motherboard that supports lower to mid-end quad core cpu's (if performance is negligible, high end dual cores)

CPU based on the specification of the best option for motherboard. Preferably a low to mid-end quad core which will provide some longevity.

At least a 1gb GFX card (and whatever else I would need with it, 3d card or whatever is the bee's knee's atm to help take the load off the gfx)

A solid state drive (I don't even care if it is as small as 64gb, I only intend on installing star wars the old republic and perhaps something like mass effect 2/3 when it comes out. I have my iMac for everything else)

Whatever ram is the Rogers Todger these days.

Finally, whatever I am missing above that is an absolute must for a gaming machine.

I understand that most 'gamers' would use a shuttle pc as a doorstop before they think about using it to play games on, but I'd rather discuss the possibility of making the above happen, without explosions, than why I should just buy a full size deck. What can I say, I played a Gnome in wow.

I'd really appreciate the help, and would have course use ocuk wherever possible for my component needs!
 
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The shuttle isnt very practical at all. Definately for a graphics card.

I would recommend to try and find a iMac Pro Case on the internet somewhere if your an Apple person. Or maybe something like this would be acceptable to go with an iMac without looking to far from home http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-004-CS&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=1489

and for spec wise for just some decent gaming an intel i5 750 will do and an ATI 5850 will knock your socks off :P (nVidia are not as good as they sue to be I would go for ATI).

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Thanks for going to the effort fella, I'll definitely look into the iMac Pro case. Out of interest, is it just the gfx card spacing thats the issue, or most of the above? If that is just the case, then I could possibly look for something like the 8800gs mobile thats plugged into most imacs atm, though then I'm kinda back where I started.
 
You would have tons of issues. You will need to buy a Micro ATX Mobo. Will probably only be able to sue integrated graphcis from the mobo. 2 HDD's and 1 DVD-RW will be a squeeze and cable management would be an ass.

Also airflow would be one major problem it would be like a mini sawner :P

Your in luck I had a hard look on a very famous auction site (hint hint). Just find the one called 'Apple Intel MacPro Mac Pro DUAL QUAD CASE NOT 100%'.

You can buy for £179 + P&P comes witht he apple PSU as well which might save some dosh if high enough Wattage.
 
You're ruining the dream here ;-)

I did suspect that this might be the case before making the thread, perhaps it would just be easier and less hassle to find a more practical case. Interestingly enough, there was another Mac Pro case on the same, infamous auction site in better condition and cheaper.. in America. As luck would have it, I'm in the process of moving there so might just take your advice and pick one up. Though if I do, im quadrupling the size of my preferred rig :p
 
There's a nice small case called the Antec p180 mini which is available in both black and white if you look around. This isn't the cheap nasty off-white of days gone, but the clean and crisp white of an ipod, the black scheme is pretty good too :D. It's got some quite favourable reviews
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article810-page1.html

As for mATX gaming boards, there are such things especially for the LGA1156 platform. Gigabyte's P55M-UD4 and P55-UD3R

Although the UD3R isn't mATX, it's still a very good board for overclocking
 
My primary PC is a Shuttle SP37P2 I have had for over three years and TBH its size is one of the main advantages IMHO.

The OP should consider the SX58H7 and the upcoming SX58J3 as they are fantastic SFF PCs IMHO although they are very expensive. The newer J1,J2 and J3 chassis can take a mini ITX motherboard too.

I would look at the SFFtech forums as this is the best Shuttle forum on the internet.

There is are also a couple of mini ITX socket 1156 and AM3 motherboards with full speed PCI-E 2.0 slots which can be used in a smaller case like the Silverstone SG05.

Of course the OP should also look at the Lan Gear Da Box 100 SFF case:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1455817
 
The Da Box looks fun, though I fail to understand how that won't have the same issues with heating that the shuttle does? The problem, as I understand it, is having all these components so close together which causes them to overheat, it's potentially worse in that box, especially if youre going to be using a full size gfx card?

Tell me I'm wrong, because I really wan't one now ^^
 
Just looked at the SX58H7, its a beauty alright and 3rd party reviews seem to have a consensus that it can run the high end core i7's with HD 4890 very well, while also staying cool and quiet. In one such test, it also housed the intel x25 ssd, so it has everything I want. Though, I have to say £529 is a little steep, but not out of the question.
 
Oh, I probably forgot the most important thing: I'm an Intel and Nvidia guy.

This is a mindset to get away from. Being an 'Intel and Nvidia guy' is a mistake. Pick out the best components for your budget regardless of manufacturer.

Over the years I have owned a mix of AMD and Intel rig with a mix of Nvidia/AMD/Voodoo GPUs.

At the moment Intel is your best bet CPU wise (unless putting together a cheap rig) and AMD is the only real option for a GPU.
 
I'm a creature of habit, though having now read some reviews of current hardware, I'm inclined to agree with you that ati rule the roost gfx wise at the moment. Looking at the intel i7-920 currently, rigged up into the SX58H7. GFX/SSD undecided.

note: This may be a little confusing now, as I just had one of the mods change my username. Still the OP here
 
I would also look at the SX58J3 which is a newer version of the SX58H7 with a different case and perhaps some improvements. The SX58J3 also has the ability to take mini ITX motherboards too. The SX58J3 should be released soon AFAIK.
 
Forgive my ignorance; What are the benefits and/or downsides of the mini ITX motherboards?

The Shuttle motherboards are a propriety format which is bigger than a mini ITX motherboard but smaller than a mATX one. The SX58J3 has mounts in the case which will enable you to replace the existing motherboard with a mini ITX one in a few years time when you upgrade - hence you can re-use the case.
 
Sounds like a good investment. Any idea when the SX58J3 will be released? I imagine it will be a similar price to the current SX58H7 model?
 
Benefits:Small,powerful,can take latest hardware
Downsides:Not great for expansion,not great for OC ing (some are however) and the price.
I am building a new pc soon around the Antec p180 Mini...it is a really good case for cooling,size,sound (built in dampening)...so if you dont mind sacrificing a little bit of size you can get a nice m-ATX pc
 
Sounds like a good investment. Any idea when the SX58J3 will be released? I imagine it will be a similar price to the current SX58H7 model?

The low end J1 barebone has been released in the US already so I would assume over the next month or two the other barebone systems should be released. I would contact Shuttle as they should have an idea when the SX58J3 is released in Europe.
 
Matters not, will be living in the US pretty much full time by mid summer, could potentially take advantage of the exchange rate with this little venture.
 
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