Online piracy cost 39000 jobs...

groen said:
The same goes for apparent loss in sales. Just a bunch of greedy BIG MEDIA execs wishing it was still 1997 and charging people £30 for a pop single.... I havn't used a CD in almost a decade. Itunes making billions now, seems to me like they are making lots of money and people used to record off the radio and hand it to friends and copy casset tapes. I remember making mix tapes for friends when i was 10.

http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/03/apple-apparentl/ this is old as welll...
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Not at all....if 15,000 people have downloaded a song, this could have been ACTUAL sales, which equates to a lot of money...ie a lost sale.

They cant say who would definetly have brought the song, but the fact they downloaded it as opposed to brought it suggests otherwise. So its a figure
 
what are you on about, you can go on spotify and listen to, open audacity and record it. you can listen to radio and record it.

now 15000 people download and it is a loss in sales, how the hell does that work ?

what evidence do you have that people who download it would have bought it and not just listened to it on spotify ?

we come back to the main point, that the bill is clearly not about piracy but about controlling the internet. which means this is just propaganda funded by the same people who are funding this dispicable bill.
 
groen said:
what are you on about, you can go on spotify and listen to, open audacity and record it. you can listen to radio and record it.

now 15000 people download and it is a loss in sales, how the hell does that work ?

what evidence do you have that people who download it would have bought it and not just listened to it on spotify ?
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I dont have evidence...thats why I said the following if you actually read my post: 'They cant say who would definetly have brought the song'

I'm fully aware you can do that, so don't try and be all smart...You can do the same with a damn radio if you really want to
 
Delvis said:
Thats what he was on about =/

Considering the thread is about piracy
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My point was that regardless of whether or not a person can afford to buy something, you'll still have people greedy enough to download something they would buy if they didn't have the option to pirate.

Regardless of whether it's a loss of sales, there's still no reason to pirate music (or anything else) other than greed imo. There's plenty of excuses, but no reasons.

Go go can o'worms!
 
orderoftheflame said:
My point was that regardless of whether or not a person can afford to buy something, you'll still have people greedy enough to download something they would buy if they didn't have the option to pirate.

Regardless of whether it's a loss of sales, there's still no reason to pirate music (or anything else) other than greed imo. There's plenty of excuses, but no reasons.

Go go can o'worms!
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Indeed :)
 
are you saying that if everyone could acquire a ferrari 612 for free that ferrari would not lose money that they would otherwise have accrued on car sales? (sure they might make some up in aftersales service but you cant prove that they would get it serviced by ferrari in the first place)..
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I get around said:
If they didn't overcharge for EVERYTHING, music, films, software. Then i'd probably buy more of it instead of downloading it.
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Music albums 1yr+ - £2.99 - £6.99
Films 1yr old on DVD - £2.99 - £6.99
Download individual tracs - 79p

Just how cheap do you want it?
And how can you judge "over charging"?
A CD doesn't simply cost 1p to produce - you are paying for all of the production, staff, design costs.

Sorry but typical answer from a pirate - it's all overpriced.
But to a pirate ANY price is over priced.
 
Delvis said:
All of which can be obtained cheaply

It's just not cheap to you
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Where can I get the latest BluRay movies cheap?

Where can I get the latest Snoop Dogg album cheap?

£16.99 for an album isn't cheap.

£15+ for a standard movie isn't cheap.

I blame footballers, stealing all the money!


I don't know why I'm blaming footballers really, just made sense at the time.
 
Khaaan! said:
Where can I get BluRay movies cheap?

Where can I get the latest Snoop Dogg album cheap?

£16.99 for an album isn't cheap.

£15+ for a standard movie isn't cheap.

I blame footballers, stealing all the money!


I don't know why I'm blaming footballers really, just made sense at the time.
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Blu-Ray is a new technology, thats like saying why are LED TV's expensive, or why new cars are expensive.

VHS was stupidly expensive when it first came out, same with DVD's.

Not even sure why you'd want the Snoop Dog album so you deserve to pay a price for it :p

All my NEW albums have cost about a tenner, and for 50+ hours of listening that i've done on all of them, its a quite a good price I think.

And yes, I think footballers should give us their money
 
Khaaan! said:
£16.99 for an album isn't cheap.
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You're right, but I've never payed £16.99 for an album. I can't think of the last time I paid more than £8-10 for a brand new CD (excluding limited/rare ones).

Khaaan! said:
£15+ for a standard movie isn't cheap.
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Correct, but if you don't want to pay the premium for Blu-ray, buy it on DVD, if you don't want to pay for a DVD, get it second hand on VHS. You're still getting the same "standard movie".
 
Can we just stop people from wasting their time posting? We already know how this is going to go, what arguments and counter arguments are going to be used. Nothing said is going to change my attitudes to piracy and I doubt it will change the other side of the argument either.
 
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