Jedi Knight Wins Apology

Not really the same thing at all as the authors of the Bible and the Koran claimed divine inspiration and that it is the word of God. The author of Star Wars didn't and hasn't.




I could claim that by posts are the result of divine inspiration and that they are the word of God.
 
Not really the same thing at all as the authors of the Bible and the Koran claimed divine inspiration and that it is the word of God. The author of Star Wars didn't and hasn't.

The real problem with Jedi becoming a real religion would seem to be the complete lack of any real substance in it's views and philosophy. There isn't enough detail about it to form a religion around. If it could be codified in a lot more detail then the philosophy around the Jedi might make the basis of a religion, although obviously the actual use of force powers is going to have to be written out...

It has actually been written into a proper doctrine.

And it's not exactly much different from Scientology in it's creation. ;)
 
although obviously the actual use of force powers is going to have to be written out...

Wouldn't that completely undermine it being Jediism? Everything about the Jedi surrounds understanding and using the Force. It's like saying you're going to write Jesus out of Christianity.
 
Some dude wrote a book called the Bible. Some dude wrote a book called the Koran. Some dude wrote a book called Star Wars.

All the same thing. It's just that two of them are much older than the other.

Lucas said he drew heavily on existing faiths for the Jedi, that includes Christianity\Hinduism etc etc. So arguably it isn't really that much different from Eastern mysticism, with a bit of Abrahamic stuff thrown in for good measure.

As for removing the hood, I'd suggest he used the jedi excuse to get the security guards to stop harassing him. Since when did anyone wearing a hood become a criminal? We live in a paranoid society these days.
 
How about moving objects without touching them, controlling the will of lesser minds, 100m jumps from a standing start, knocking over babies, constructing a lightsaber... ya know, the whole Force thing the Jedi is based on...

Where as spawning an infinite number of fish sandwiches, making wine from water and walking over stormy seas are perfectly plausible?


Remember in Star wars not every one is capable of manipulating or even feeling the force, just like not every Christian can make platinum87 squeal in delight of never having to wait for a fishy sandwich again.
 
Not really the same thing at all as the authors of the Bible and the Koran claimed divine inspiration and that it is the word of God. The author of Star Wars didn't and hasn't.

I know this is something that often gets said (and ignored by believers) but can you prove any of the divine inspiration? That the authors even claimed it?

If I wrote a book now and made everything in it up, and claimed divine inspiration, could it form the core of a new religion? Is that the only requirement?

That there is no divine inspiration doesn't matter. There is no god, so cannot be divinity. That the author was misguided enough to believe he was the mouth of god makes little difference to the result. Taking that as an example, who is to say that Lucas/Foster were not moved by god without their knowledge?
 
Wouldn't that completely undermine it being Jediism? Everything about the Jedi surrounds understanding and using the Force. It's like saying you're going to write Jesus out of Christianity.

No it's like saying that we believe in the force just that we are not Jedi knights/masters.

Just like you believe in Christ not that you are Christ.
 
You would then be one step closer to being a religion than Jedi as the author of that has never made such claims. :D

"Jediism is not the same as that which is portrayed within the Star Wars Saga by George Lucas and Lucasfilm LTD. George Lucas' Jedi are fictional characters that exist within a literary and cinematic universe. The Jedi discussed within this website refer to factual people within this world that live or lived their lives according to Jediism, of which we recognize and work together as a community to both cultivate and celebrate. Jedi Apprentices, Knights, Commanders, Scholars, Masters, Scribes and High Councilors embrace Jediism as a real living, breathing religion, and sincerely strive to seek out and emulate real life examples of Jediism in the long rich history of mankind. Jediism bases less of its focus on myth and fiction, and more upon those real life examples of Jediism.

The history of the path of Jediism traverses thought which is well over 5,000 years old. It shares many themes embraced in Hinduism, Confucionism, Buddhism, Gnosticism, Stoicism, Catholicism, Taoism, Shinto, Modern Mysticism, the Way of the Shaolin Monks, the Knight's Code of Chivalry and the Samurai Warriors. We recognize that many times the answers to mankind's problems comes from within the purified hearts of genuine seekers of truth. Theology, philosophy and religious doctrine can facilitate this process, but we believe that it would be a futile exercise for any belief system to claim to hold all the answers to all the serious questions posed to seekers of truth in the 21st century. Jediism may help facilitate this process, yet we also acknowledge that it is up to the true believer who applies the universal truths inherent within Jediism to find the answers they seek."
 
As for removing the hood, I'd suggest he used the jedi excuse to get the security guards to stop harassing him. Since when did anyone wearing a hood become a criminal? We live in a paranoid society these days.

If you stole wearing a hoodie who will know it was you? But generally we do live in a world full of paranoid people. The media doesn't help in that respect.
 
If you stole wearing a hoodie who will know it was you? But generally we do live in a world full of paranoid people. The media doesn't help in that respect.

You could still see his face, and Jobcentre Plus offices are covered with CCTV. Not exactly difficult. Besides, he's just a disabled guy enquiring about his benefits. He has bone fractures, what was the likelihood of him stealing any equipment? (which is bolted down anyway)
 
I know this is something that often gets said (and ignored by believers) but can you prove any of ther divine inspiration? That the authors even claimed it?

You seem to be missing the point. I make no claims to the veracity of the Bible or the Koran but the prime difference would be that the authors did make such claims while the author of Star Wars has not. It is the fact that the author says it is a work of fiction that rules it out from being a religion.


If I wrote a book now and made everything in it up, and claimed divine inspiration, could it form the core of a new religion? Is that the only requirement?

The answer to that is "It depends". What form of recognition do you want for your religion? The more recognition you want the more you are probably going to have to do. However writing a book and claiming divine inspiration is certainly a good start.
 
The fact is Sikhs ARE allowed to wear what IS an offensive weapon in public. Just because it's part of the Sikh religion and that very few issues have ever arisen from it doesn't make it right. It means Sikhs are allowed to do something other people are not just because they BELIEVE in something different. That VERY wrong and it angers a lot of people and rightly so.

It is NOT an offensive weapon, very FEW Kirpans worn in this country actually have LIVE blades.

There have been NO issues arisen so therefore I actually think it is RIGHT, it shows HIGH levels of responsibility as a community, something we believe STRONGLY in.

You can be ANGERED as much as you like but we don't really care, there are other things going on in this world which should capture your attention than a group of people who have done TREMENDOUS things for this country in war, society and the economy.

/i've highlighted some words as going from your post you find it quite challenging to read/type normally:p
 
You seem to be missing the point. I make no claims to the veracity of the Bible or the Koran but the prime difference would be that the authors did make such claims while the author of Star Wars has not. It is the fact that the author says it is a work of fiction that rules it out from being a religion.




The answer to that is "It depends". What form of recognition do you want for your religion? The more recognition you want the more you are probably going to have to do. However writing a book and claiming divine inspiration is certainly a good start.

Again, the religion apparently is not derived from the Star Wars saga alone, and so your point about the 'author' doesn't stand.
 
You could still see his face, and Jobcentre Plus offices are covered with CCTV. Not exactly difficult. Besides, he's just a disabled guy enquiring about his benefits. He has bone fractures, what was the likelihood of him stealing any equipment? (which is bolted down anyway)

I know what your saying man, I don't make these strange rules. As Gilly pointed out with the hoodie/burkha difference. One rule should apply to all regardless of religion if its going to be forced on some then apply it to all.
 
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