How is it any more a breach of privacy than the information they already have about each individual?
What is all the hoohaa abuot a DNA database - bring it on!
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How is it any more a breach of privacy than the information they already have about each individual?
What information, specifically?
Name, address, age, work place, partner, salary, criminal record, children, car etc etc...
Whereas your DNA fingerprint (I believe) is just a bunch of (key) random digits...
Are they random? I thought a DNA database would contain the most personal information about me; my genetic makeup. Once this database is up and running who else can gain access to it and what will they do with that information?
No the tests are not a full coding of your dna (that would take ages and cost insane amounts of money).
It's taken fro ma bit of random and currently "useless" ( it doesn't seem to do anything with can figure out ) little section of your DNa.
You'd never be able to tell what you looked like (although iirc the gene for red hair is in there), if you have a heart condition nor any health related data.
And so it should be! We need to keep a track on those folk!
I'm still not comfortable with it. Essentially you're providing evidence to the authorities to prove you're innocence. Doesn't that set a dangerous precedent?
Red heads are openly discriminated against on a regular basis. Who's to say that this database wouldn't be used by these gingerphobes to target and attack my pasty brothers and sisters?
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I'm against the database mate.
Although like i said all the wishy washy "ooh it's a precedent" " where will it end!!!"
Stuff is a bit pointless (well it was then now with the European court of human rights you could actually probably make this illegal 5 minutes after it;s set up) you're much better arguing the frankly massive cost.
You seem a little defensive there chap, some might even say you too kit personally.
Got something to hide?
Receipts for fake tan and hair dye hidden in the bottom draw eh?
We're on to you buddy! -_-
You bleeding heart liberals make me sick.
The time for "tracking" has been and gone we need action! We need a solution!
You might even say a final solution...
I really recommend watching the BBC documentary Who's Watching You: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ktdzj 3 episodes.
Provides a good coverage of exactly who and what is being used to watch/monitor people, and explains how you are gradually losing more and more privacy.
All these databases are ridiculous.
Provides a good coverage of exactly who and what is being used to watch/monitor people, and explains how you are gradually losing more and more privacy.
All these databases are ridiculous.
the police/government simply can't be trusted with this data.
a few year back my cousin had his DNA took - he got legless and was arrested for causing some criminal damage. ok he was stupid but it's not exactly crime of the century. anyway, about a year after this happened he got a letter from the police in Rhyl, North Wales saying they had matched his DNA at a crime scene involving a stolen car. and of course he had nothing to do with it - having never even been to wales.
he was summoned to appear at a police station there at 7oclock in the evening. he rang them up and said could he be interviewed earlier in the day because he had to rely on public transport to get there (he lives in cheltenham, glos like me). they refused. so out of his own pocket he had to get a train and overnight accommodation. as he had started a brand new job he didn't want to risk not turning up because the last thing he wanted was the police to arrest him at work or cause him to take time off without notice. of course when he got there, they had him in for just a few minutes before they realised he really wasn't their man.
i think that's pretty shocking tbh.
a few year back my cousin had his DNA took - he got legless and was arrested for causing some criminal damage. ok he was stupid but it's not exactly crime of the century. anyway, about a year after this happened he got a letter from the police in Rhyl, North Wales saying they had matched his DNA at a crime scene involving a stolen car. and of course he had nothing to do with it - having never even been to wales.
he was summoned to appear at a police station there at 7oclock in the evening. he rang them up and said could he be interviewed earlier in the day because he had to rely on public transport to get there (he lives in cheltenham, glos like me). they refused. so out of his own pocket he had to get a train and overnight accommodation. as he had started a brand new job he didn't want to risk not turning up because the last thing he wanted was the police to arrest him at work or cause him to take time off without notice. of course when he got there, they had him in for just a few minutes before they realised he really wasn't their man.
i think that's pretty shocking tbh.
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TBH I'm up for a DNA database, CCTV, anything that makes our society a safer place.
I don't really care if the govement are watching me 24/7, I'm not doing anything wrong, so why would I? I really don't understand why people are so against this.
I don't really care if the govement are watching me 24/7, I'm not doing anything wrong, so why would I? I really don't understand why people are so against this.
What percentage of crimes are solved as a result of DNA evidence? There was a story in last weeks papers that suggested it was just a fraction of one percent. I'm not convinced that CCTV does a lot of good either.
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I've not read much of the thread, just enough to see that one of the main arguments is "what would anyone do with the data even if it was lost by the government!?"
Well, it might seem like trivial data right now - harmless because we don't know much about it. But in a way that makes it even more dangerous. We don't even know what parts of it to omit, incase of security breaches. DNA contains everything about us. EVERYTHING. Who's to say that sometime in the future (doesn't have to be very far), leaked DNA information couldn't be used to target specific races in effectively engineered bio-chemical weapons?
Well, it might seem like trivial data right now - harmless because we don't know much about it. But in a way that makes it even more dangerous. We don't even know what parts of it to omit, incase of security breaches. DNA contains everything about us. EVERYTHING. Who's to say that sometime in the future (doesn't have to be very far), leaked DNA information couldn't be used to target specific races in effectively engineered bio-chemical weapons?
Its only a matter of time before all U.K citizens DNA will be stored on a database. Currently the figure is about 4.5 million of which about 850,000 do not have a current criminal record.
A DNA database will know doubt increase the number crimes solved. Will it cause a decrease in the number of crimes committed?
What concerns me is that as the technology becomes cheaper/more efficient etc. Will i return home to find a letter through my door containing a £50 fine for litter found with my DNA on it. Maybe a bad example but you get the idea.
Its only a matter of time before society will accept the "DNA Database" just as speed cameras and CCTV have become the norm. They may not prevent speeding or crime but they are here.
A DNA database will know doubt increase the number crimes solved. Will it cause a decrease in the number of crimes committed?
What concerns me is that as the technology becomes cheaper/more efficient etc. Will i return home to find a letter through my door containing a £50 fine for litter found with my DNA on it. Maybe a bad example but you get the idea.
Its only a matter of time before society will accept the "DNA Database" just as speed cameras and CCTV have become the norm. They may not prevent speeding or crime but they are here.
I've just read the article I think you were referring to in the Telegraph, it is interesting that it is so low, I would have though it would have been a little higher, although that still translates to a large volume of cases which wouldn't have been solved without it. I'd imagine the type of case has a lot to do with if DNA evidence is used, eg rape cases, although I'm only speculating.
I'd be interested in knowing what the main evidence in convictions is, witness statements maybe?
I'm fairly sure evil goverments could obtain that information with out the use of our database, as unlikely a senario as that is.