The Right to Bear Arms
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The british public does not value criminals over offenders.
Not sure who watches "The Big Questions" on Sunday but today one of the questions was regarding Nazi criminals. Some ****ing retarded British idiots were saying that since the offenders were so old (90s), that they shouldn't even bother prosecuting them. This is just the kind of idiotic BS that I've witnessed over and over the past 3 years of living here.
Don't get me wrong, I love this country and pretty much everything about it...but the weird socialist attitude gets to me.
You're looking at the argument from the wrong way. The issue is not the advantage of unbanning them (although the argument is freedom from unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on recreational and self defence activities would qualify) but what is the benefit of banning them, given that legal gunholders (outside of a few tragic statistical anomolies) do not commit crime anyway.
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Need is a pretty poor argument. There are lots of things we don't need that are harmful.
United States of America, bastion of criminal justice and morality
Stones and glass houses, my friend. Stones and glass houses.
I see you mentioned socialists for the second time too. We're not really a bad bunch. Honest. Broke your leg? Don't worry we got you covered dude.
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Truth be told, there is no advantage in unbanning them. My point is that anyone who wishes to commit a criminal act with a firearm has total disregard for the law anyway and the illegal route of obtaining one is the way they will go.
Banning handguns has not done anything to reduce armed crime in this country. Almost every gun owner in the UK are responsible persons with clean backgrounds and they were the people that were penalised when they were banned, not the people who obtain and use them with criminal intent.
Unlikely, given that the legal owner was not a common source of guns before the gun ban...
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Stones and glass houses, my friend. Stones and glass houses.
I see you mentioned socialists for the second time too. We're not really a bad bunch. Honest. Broke your leg? Don't worry we got you covered dude.
The USA has it's justice problems but when a man is found guilty we'll kill the ****er and not faff around like some lame Euro country and just put him in jail. Fritzl comes to mind.
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Shame that doesn't work either.
And of course, the USA has no problems with certain groups being misrepresented on death row, or the fact that it's cheaper to keep them in prison than put them to death...
Is that something to be proud of? Really?
As I said there are serious problems with the current system but I can tell you if I had my daughter raped and killed or something I would want justice done. In fact I probably wouldn't even wait around for a slow legal system.
Think about it, would you?
Absolutely.
Of course, no law will ever stop someone intent on breaking the law in the first place. I fail to see how unbanning them would bring any advantages to the majority of people in society, bar the very few who feel they are being treated unfairly by the law who wish to persue shooting.
For me the very idea that removing a law that could potentialy make it even easier for criminals to obtain weapons is simply foolish. The law may never stop people from being hurt by weapons, but we must do all we can to try and contain it.
The death penalty doesnt work. It is a reflection of a broken soceity. America has it so bad they have people queing up to be killed by the state. It does not prevent the crime from ever happening, it does not cure the problem that created it.
For me the very idea that removing a law that could potentialy make it even easier for criminals to obtain weapons is simply foolish. The law may never stop people from being hurt by weapons, but we must do all we can to try and contain it.
The death penalty doesnt work. It is a reflection of a broken soceity. America has it so bad they have people queing up to be killed by the state. It does not prevent the crime from ever happening, it does not cure the problem that created it.
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With that logic in mind, ban all firearms of all descriptions. Why single out handguns ?
I'd probably want the same as you, that doesn't mean that is the action society should take, especially when my response is an emotionally charged, somewhat irrational one.
The death penalty does not do anything to actually prevent or reduce crime, which is surely the aim of the justice system in a civilised society.
The law doesn't work to achieve that end, the evidence is clear on that.
Do you advocate disregarding evidence for a false sense of security?
And yes, I'd love to be able to shoot handguns again recreationally. I have martial arts training for my killing needs....
Does the evidence suggest that having no ban on weapons would some how reduce the death rate?
I dont pretend to know a great deal about this subject. But I have been to many different states in America, and I have walked down streets and I have seen people carrying weapons. I dont wish to live in such a society.
I dont pretend to know a great deal about this subject. But I have been to many different states in America, and I have walked down streets and I have seen people carrying weapons. I dont wish to live in such a society.