The Right to Bear Arms

I do agree with you. The death penalty isn't a thing society should take, it's a very dangerous path for a govt. to endorse that penalty. However the majority of American perpetrators who have been put to death have been guilty, and TBH I feel absolutely no remorse for them.

It's just that when I see people arguing for the rights of criminals...omg it makes me angry.
 
Does the evidence suggest that having no ban on weapons would some how reduce the death rate?

I dont pretend to know a great deal about this subject. But I have been to many different states in America, and I have walked down streets and I have seen people carrying weapons. I dont wish to live in such a society.

Chavs carry knives anyway, they just conceal them.
 
No it doesn't but at least we remove the rights of a criminal instead of fighting for them..
I assume, rightly or wrongly, by your post that you are American and after watching American 'Behind Bars' programs I have to admit that I agree with you.
People who commit crimes should be deprived of their rights....unfortunately over here in good old Blighty the European court of human rights gives the criminal behind bars more rights than the prison officers...in fact it has been said that some criminals re offend just to get back inside prison as they have a cushier life in there.
I have learned that from a life long friend of mine who, until recently, was a prison officer in a UK prison. He left due to the fact that he was getting demoralised by the rights that prisoners were being given.
If you commit a crime you should automatically wave your rights goodbye.
 
Does the evidence suggest that having no ban on weapons would some how reduce the death rate?

A much better question is:

Does the evidence suggest that having a ban on a small group of weapons reduces the overall death rate?

The answer is no, hence the ban should go.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm - Evidence to support.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/british-crime-statistics-19972002-601188.html

I dont pretend to know a great deal about this subject. But I have been to many different states in America, and I have walked down streets and I have seen people carrying weapons. I dont wish to live in such a society.

Your feelings should not be allowed to restrict my non-harmful behaviour.
 
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Chavs carry knives anyway, they just conceal them.

Actually I'll have you know I'm quite fat and very hard to conceal.

I do agree with you. The death penalty isn't a thing society should take, it's a very dangerous path for a govt. to endorse that penalty. However the majority of American perpetrators who have been put to death have been guilty, and TBH I feel absolutely no remorse for them.

It's just that when I see people arguing for the rights of criminals...omg it makes me angry.
Can you give us any examples of arguing for the protection and rights of criminals? 'You dirty socialists' is not a valid answer.
 
Of course. And thats the problem we have to deal with. Can you imagine if they all carried guns to?

Your feelings should not be allowed to restrict my non-harmful behaviour.

Well indeed, and thats the problem in creating laws is it not? My right to feel safe is just as important as your right to follow your pursuit.
 
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I dont pretend to know a great deal about this subject. But I have been to many different states in America, and I have walked down streets and I have seen people carrying weapons. I dont wish to live in such a society.

Which states? I have lived 21 years of my life in the glorious US of A and nefver once seen someone strolling around with a weapon. :/
 
Of course. And thats the problem we have to deal with. Can you imagine if they all carried guns to?

If they have criminal records, (I assume) they won't be able to obtain them legally anyway. If they own the guns legally and start waving them around, then they'd lose the guns, etc.

Basically it doesn't matter because if they're going to get guns to threaten and kill people, they won't bother going the legal route.
 
yes guns should remain illegal as too high a percentage of a population end up using them for things they shouldn't in countries where they can be bought.

In the US I think they're up to 30,000 gun murders a year. Another interesting stat .. more than 1% of the US population's reason for dying is they will be shot dead. Which is too hgh.
 
Can you give us any examples of arguing for the protection and rights of criminals? 'You dirty socialists' is not a valid answer.

recently people were angry regarding the extradition of Gary McKinnon, also as I said today's airing of the big questions discussed nazi war criminals.
 
Of course. And thats the problem we have to deal with. Can you imagine if they all carried guns to?

Some already do, because criminals don't obey the law. CCW permits for law abiding citizens are proven to have a net crime reduction effect however.

Well indeed, and thats the problem in creating laws is it not? My right to feel safe is just as important as your right to follow your pursuit.

No, your right to be safe is just as important, hence why I support licensing and mandatory safety training. Your right to feel safe is meaningless, because it's a random, subjective opinion driven measure with no necessary basis in reality.
 
yes guns should remain illegal as too high a percentage of a population end up using them for things they shouldn't in countries where they can be bought.

In the US I think they're up to 30,000 gun murders a year. Another interesting stat .. more than 1% of the US population's reason for dying is they will be shot dead. Which is too hgh.

Ah, the old 'gun murders' fallacy. What makes a gun murder different to another murder? You also manage to fit in the suicide fallacy as well...
 
Which states? I have lived 21 years of my life in the glorious US of A and nefver once seen someone strolling around with a weapon. :/

The redneck states, or others that allow concealed carry
Now stop posting drunk Chris :D

recently people were angry regarding the extradition of Gary McKinnon
He is still innocent as he has never been tried, equally what he did from his bedroom in the UK is NOT illegal under UK law technically - why should be be extradited for a crime committed from the UK?

Back on topic..
How will unbanning them solve anything though? I take it the underlying problem you're talking about is gun crime. The USA doesn't ban them and has gun crime. Finland doesn't ban them and allegedly has both extremely high rates of gun ownership and low rates of gun crime. Simply banning/unbanning them probably won't fix anything.

I never said unbanning them will solve something, but funnily home invasion is lower in America due to home owners potentially having guns and being allowed to use them.

My argument is that having guns legal or illegal is neither here nor there with respect to preventing murder and other crimes, however by banning guns you take away people's freedom to own them. Tackling crime needs to occur via the prison and social aspect of things, and death penalty is perhaps a means of tackling serious offenders as it will prevent them from re-offending, permanently (and it is a well known fact that re-offending is very common).
Another thing that could be introduced is the American 3 strike law, where if you commit several crimes within a certain period of time you are given a mandatory prison sentence.
Combine this with prison labour and you can use the scum to do some good as well
 
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