OcUk scientist help

dannyjo22

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The almost daily battle with the **** tards that work airport security continues. It's getting increasingly harder to bring food to work.

The liquid rules are retarded beyond belief but until the liquid scanners are mandatory we are stuck with them.

My question to the ocuk scientists is how do I make a bomb out of Robinsons Set Orange Marmalade.

I was refused entry to the airport with a jar that I was hoping would provide a nice brekkie of toast and marmalade for myself and my collegues. This has never been a problem for 2 and 1/2 years but now marmalade is also on the list of banned substances. Butter too. I was recently refused entry with Onion relish.

Surely the shops should be banned from selling these highly explosive elements? ;)

While we are at it, Muller fruit corners. Are they volatile only when you mix the yogurt with the strawberry syrup? Also banned.

My leatherman Lock knife though clears security every day.
 
It's not the substance itself, its how you can make an explosive look like it.... Making an explosive look like marmalade would be easy....
 
Sounds like security must love you ;)

It comes part of working in an airport. I have to live with it when i go through security regulary on flights out.
 
If people are smart and resourceful enough to make a bomb with the contents of a half used cannister of shaving gel, some shampoo and aftershave then frankly they're probably dangerous enough that such measures are pretty useless anyway. If you are determined to hijack a plane and don't particularly care about the consequences there must be a variety of easily available implements on a commercial aircraft that you could use.
 
Think its more about what you can make to look like the contents rather than the contents themselves. But still ''ve flown occasionaly and been through with a penknife + lighter by accident and no problems.
 
Marmalade is mostly sugar, with some water involved. As such it would need to be mixed with a powerful oxidising agent which doesn't care if there's water around. Sodium chlorate, easily available as a weedkiller last time I checked, would be the obvious one.

Were you to scoop out most of the contents of the jar, line the bottom half with white, crystalline sodium chlorate then fill it up with the contents, you'd be left with a jar which looks the same as normal, tastes the same as normal and can indeed be used to make sandwiches in front of security.

Stir it with a stick to mix the chlorate in, and I think you'd need to apply a flame. Heat would probably do though, perhaps put the lid on and sit it in a kettle if there's one available. Filling a toaster with the mix would definitely do the trick.

What're you taking a leatherman onto a plane for?

edit: that's cheating though, oxidisers are banned. Looking through the list of banned substances now and hoping that our goverment doesn't actually check everything I look at online...
Ten seperate, 100ml bottles of liquid are allowed? I'm certain it's possible to find clear liquids which are inert by themselves but explosive when mixed. One probably smells like vodka too, though the other is banned under oxiding agents. You can have lithium batteries, which I believe get very hot if you short them, so no toaster required for the initial answer. I think you'd have to break at least one of the rules to take dangerous things on board, can't see a loophole myself.
 
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Swallow the marmalade followed by Alka-Seltzer and potassium permanganate. You will explode. Job done.
 
edscdk said:
how many planes have been downed by people carrying bombs onto them.?
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1949 September 9th. Canada, Quebec region, near Sault Au Cochon, Quebec: a bomb exploded in a forward baggage compartment of a Quebec Airways (Canadia Pacific) DC-3; 23 people died


1955 November 1st. USA, Colorado, Denver, United Air Lines Douglas DC-6B was bombed in flight by a relative of a passenger, all 44 people died


1957 July 25th. USA, California, near Daggett: a bomb exploded in mid-air 17 minutes after take-off in the lavatory of a Western Airlines CV-240; the pilots managed to safely land the plane, only 1 person died


1960 January 6th. USA, North Carolina, near Bolivia: a bomb exploded in passenger compartment of a National Airlines DC-6 at 18,000 feet; 34 people died killed.



1974 September 8th. Greece, over Ionian Sea: a TWA Boeing 707 crashed into the sea. According to the NTSB a bomb exploded in the rear cargo compartment, damaging the elevator and rudder control cables. All 88 people aboard died


1982 August 11th. Pacific Ocean, near Hawaii: a PanAm Boeing 747 was en route from Japan to the U.S. when a bomb exploded under a seat; one passenger died.


1985 June 23rd. Atlantic Ocean, near the Irish coast: Air India Boeing 747 originated in Toronto and was en route to Bombay when a bomb exploded on board near the Irish coast. The aircraft broke up in flight and crashed into the sea. All 329 people aboard died.


1986 April 2nd. Greece, near Athens: A bomb exploded in the cabin area of a TWA Boeing 727, blowing a hole in the fuselage and causing 4 passengers to be sucked out of the aircraft to their deaths. The pilots managed to land the aircraft safely.


1988 December 21st. UK over Lockerbie: PanAmerican Boeing 747 exploded in mid-air due to an improvised explosive device hidden in a radio. All 259 people an board and eleven Lockerbie residents died.


1989 September 19th. Niger, Tenere Desert: French UTA DC-10 Airliner, mid-air explosion due to a bomb, all 171 people died.

2004 June 28th. Turkey, Istanbul airport: explosion inside a Turkish Airlines Boeing 737; a booby-trapped package resembling a wallet was found by the cleaning crew after the passengers had disembarked from a flight originating at the city of Izmir; when a cleaner opened the package, it exploded; the incident occurred hours before US President George W. Bush was due to fly out after attending a NATO summit; three people were hurt.

What's your point?
 
JonJ678 said:
edit: that's cheating though, oxidisers are banned. Looking through the list of banned substances now and hoping that our goverment doesn't actually check everything I look at online...
Ten seperate, 100ml bottles of liquid are allowed? I'm certain it's possible to find clear liquids which are inert by themselves but explosive when mixed. One probably smells like vodka too, though the other is banned under oxiding agents. You can have lithium batteries, which I believe get very hot if you short them, so no toaster required for the initial answer. I think you'd have to break at least one of the rules to take dangerous things on board, can't see a loophole myself.
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Thing is if you sit there start wiring together batteries and 10 little bottles at least one of the people around you will notice start screaming and you'll have your face smashed in :p
 
semi-pro waster said:
If people are smart and resourceful enough to make a bomb with the contents of a half used cannister of shaving gel,.
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If you have a short but strong piece of metal (custom key chain, doesn't have to be sharp or very sharp point, perhaps some ornate metal talon only halve an inch long) you could pierce an empty one cut a little slit then peel off a very sharp piece of metal and attach it to something else like a preprepared tooth brush then slit someone's throat without a massive amount of effort.:p



Again it's finding the privacy to do it.
 
the rules are ridiculous - its no way near that easy to make explosives. the current fear of a liquid bomb using peroxide and acetone is practically impossible without filtration and drying equipment, and whilst the public seem to think that you can make a high explosive device with any old kitchen chemical the reality is that you can't, not something with enough bang to do any real damage.
all the plane bombs above used real explosives - semtex, rdx, petn etc.. and these are already screened for at the airport. the current fear is not based on the science at all.
 
neodude said:
**list of various in-flight explosive activities**

What's your point?
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First off, more than half of the incidents that you mentioned, were involving devices in checked luggage, not carried on by passengers

Furthermore, there have been approximately 86 cases related to airliner bombings, 53 of them resulting in deaths.

At least 30 of the bombings are known or strongly suspected to be terrorist attacks while 13 were a combination of suicide or murder attempts often coupled with insurance schemes. Six bombings were due to miscellaneous or accidental causes while the motive behind the remaining 37 is undetermined
 
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I find this stuff sooo funny
I mean a chemical explosives expert says yes it would be possible
to mix liquid explosives on a plane ....... tho the several kilos of dryed ice
needed to make it work might be difficult to get thru customs .......
 
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