Doctors urge ban on smoking in cars

Banning smoking outright would not have worked, but making it increasingly socially unacceptable will do. It doesn't really matter if it's genuinely dangerous, if enough people decide smoking is disgusting it'll drop out of fashion.
It's not about fashion, you do realise smokers actually enjoy smoking?

I don't give a stuff if someone thinks I'm uncool for smoking, i'm sure many of the people my age think folk music is uncool, doesn't stop me enjoying it.
 
Banning smoking outright would not have worked, but making it increasingly socially unacceptable will do. It doesn't really matter if it's genuinely dangerous, if enough people decide smoking is disgusting it'll drop out of fashion.

I obviously cant say for everyone who smokes, but at what made you think that we do it as a fashion statement?

If I was worried about fashion then I might buy some new clothes or trainers, not smoke.

I smoke because its an addiction. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Whilst smoking is the most abhorent habit on the planet in my opinion, i can't see this law being passed.
Anyone who willingly smokes in the car whilst they have kids/non-smoking passengers is a sonofabitch in my eyes and only cares for themselves.
Parents who do this.....shouldn't be parents. How could they put their quick fix needs above the health of their child?! Pigs!!!! :mad:
When stuck inside a 10sqfoot cabin the child will definately be breathing that crap in to their lungs if someone else lights up.
I had this argument with someone recently, and they said "well i'll just wind down the window" :eek:
me: "what if you're on a motorway, in the cold and rain?"
smoking scum: "it'll be alright"
me: "your child would freeze, you inconsiderate git!" :(

I'd be very happy if it were banned full stop, but on a more realistic level, we know it won't be cos of the revenue the tobacco industry creates.
There really should be no need for a law as one would hope that such smokers would have enough sense NOT to smoke in cars with kids in.

Oooh i do like to rant when it comes to smoking debates. :D
 
I could almost see any argument for it on the grounds that the act of lighting a cigarette is somewhat distracting in the same way that having a conversation on a mobile phone may be said to be distracting.

It's not just the distraction whilst actually smoking. If you drop a mobile phone whilst talking on it, it wouldn't be a big deal, but what if you dropped a lit cigarette? :eek:
 
It's not just the distraction whilst actually smoking. If you drop a mobile phone whilst talking on it, it wouldn't be a big deal, but what if you dropped a lit cigarette? :eek:

You would burn a small hole in the carpet of your car.
What would happen if said dropped mobile phone slid under your breaks?
 
Why don't they just stop messing about & Ban me from Life. :(

I feel like an Ethnic minority, O wait I am. :p:p:p
 
I think it's brilliant. If I had my way people who smoked around children would get charged for deliberately attempting to kill their own kids.

I don't get the morons who argue against this stuff with "it's a nanny state" and "it's one more way that the government are trying to take our rights".

For some bizarre reason smokers seem to think that they have the right to not only kill themselves but everyone around them. The sooner they get off their self righteous high horse and accept that what they do is stupid and harmful the better.

Makes my blood boil... grrr

*awaits the 'oh the irony' responses* (because that's all you've got)
 
I should have made it clear that I live alone & drive alone & wouldn't even smoke around a child whilst standing outdoors let alone in my car. Kids are pretty much banned from my life.
People that smoke in cars with there own children Must be retarded.
 
If you smoke with kids in the car, you don't deserve kids. And likewise if you can't drive without needing a substance to keep you from going into "road rage" mode, you really shouldn't be driving.
 
My parents smoked around me and my sister my entire childhood. Much like their parents did, and their parents parents.
Doesn't matter to me, I'll avoid smoking around peoples kids but it doesn't offend me.

Also, I get road rage, so what, if smoking helps calm me down a bit why not? It's better than doing some of the stupid and dangerous things i've done in the past. Lets be fair though, if some idiot is doing like 15mph in a 30 you're going to go for the dodgey overtake, or get right up their arse and start blasting the music.
 
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I think it's brilliant. If I had my way people who smoked around children would get charged for deliberately attempting to kill their own kids.

I don't get the morons who argue against this stuff with "it's a nanny state" and "it's one more way that the government are trying to take our rights".

For some bizarre reason smokers seem to think that they have the right to not only kill themselves but everyone around them. The sooner they get off their self righteous high horse and accept that what they do is stupid and harmful the better.

Makes my blood boil... grrr

*awaits the 'oh the irony' responses* (because that's all you've got)

Do you drink?
Or drive a car?

There are other things that are far more dangerous than smoking.

I agree that someone who smokes around their kids (or any child for that matter) is an idiot and should not be allowed to reproduce.

I dont have kids. I live with my partner who also smokes. Who are you to tell me that I cant smoke in my own property! (including my car that I paid for)
No one is saying that it is not bad for you, but I bet you drink and that is also bad for you. Do you see me going round and telling you that what you are doing is "stupid and harmful"?

No, because it is up to you if you want to destroy your liver and run someone's kid over when you have had too much. I am in no position to tell you what to do, the same as you are in no position to tell me what to do.
 
My parents smoked around me and my sister my entire childhood. Much like their parents did, and their parents parents.
Doesn't matter to me, I'll avoid smoking around peoples kids but it doesn't offend me.

Maybe so....but what would you think if in a few months time you found out you had lung cancer as a direct result of passive smoking?

btw, i'm similar to you, my folks smoked around me etc etc, but god do i hate this filthy habit.
 
It's not about fashion, you do realise smokers actually enjoy smoking?

I obviously cant say for everyone who smokes, but at what made you think that we do it as a fashion statement?

Aren't you two eager to jump to conclusions. By drop out of fashion I mean the number of people smoking decrease to almost none as a consequence of social pressure, not that all people smoking are doing so to look cool. I'm well aware that smoking is enjoyable.

Smoking is being portrayed as antisocial behaviour by removing smokers from social situations and emphasising/exaggerating the harm smoking does to other people. Emphasis is also placed on it being expensive and offering no perceptable benefits, often glossing over that smoking is a pleasant experience. If smoking is considered stupid by the non-smoking majority as a consequence of this, then smokers are therefore stupid, and people do not like to appear stupid.

Fingers crossed you two will actually read this and not just come back with "what gives you the right to call me stupid".


Nice example here,
what would you think if in a few months time you found out you had lung cancer as a direct result of passive smoking
It is in no sense possible to consider lung cancer a direct result of smoking, let alone of passive smoking. It's ludicrous to do so. Yet this has become conventional wisdom, now if you ever smoked or were near smoke and develop lung cancer, it's because you smoked. Sod causality.
 
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Banning smoking in cars is as stupid as you can get in all honesty...absolutely bloody ridiculous...

I smoke in my car and if someone doesnt like it then get the **** out of my car and walk:)...but then im a courteous smoker in that ill open the windows so that the person doesnt breathe in that much smoke but if it really bothers them ie like my mum then i wont smoke till either shes out of the car or i can park up and get out for a quick ciggie...id probably do the same if i had kids but at the moment i havent.

Bleeding damn liberals in this poxy country of ours..telling us or trying to tell us what we can or cant do:p
 
Do you drink?
Or drive a car?

There are other things that are far more dangerous than smoking.

I agree that someone who smokes around their kids (or any child for that matter) is an idiot and should not be allowed to reproduce.

I dont have kids. I live with my partner who also smokes. Who are you to tell me that I cant smoke in my own property! (including my car that I paid for)
No one is saying that it is not bad for you, but I bet you drink and that is also bad for you. Do you see me going round and telling you that what you are doing is "stupid and harmful"?

No, because it is up to you if you want to destroy your liver and run someone's kid over when you have had too much. I am in no position to tell you what to do, the same as you are in no position to tell me what to do.

With all due respect I drink responsibly and rarely to the point of being drunk. I have never in my entire life endangered any ones life with my drinking and I have NEVER even considered getting behind the wheel even after a single beer. My drinking and driving has very little collateral damage past the pollution that the car produces. At least I have a legitimate reason for driving as opposed to "it relaxes me (when ironically it increases heart rate and blood pressure)".

I agree there are more dangerous things out there and hey if you decided that you absolutely needed to smoke then by all means do so, but do it with a large plastic bag wrapped around your upper body so the only one you're killing is yourself.

I'm in a position to tell you what to do because you're harming me as a smoker. (You being the generalisation as opposed to you specifically).
 
Nice example here,

It is in no sense possible to consider lung cancer a direct result of smoking, let alone of passive smoking. It's ludicrous to do so. Yet this has become conventional wisdom, now if you ever smoked or were near smoke and develop lung cancer, it's because you smoked. Sod causality.

I'm sorry what? There is direct evidence that proves that smoking has relative causality to cancer including lung cancer. Conventional wisdom my arse - it's proven fact - you have to be blind or extremely lacking in brain capacity to not get it.

source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15552776
This report summarises the epidemiological evidence on the association between tobacco smoking and cancer, which was reviewed by an international group of scientists convened by IARC. Studies published since the 1986 IARC Monograph on "Tobacco smoking" provide sufficient evidence to establish a causal association between cigarette smoking and cancer of the nasal cavities and paranasal sinuses, nasopharynx, stomach, liver, kidney (renal cell carcinoma) and uterine cervix, and for adenocarcinoma of the oesophagus and myeloid leukaemia. These sites add to the previously established list of cancers causally associated with cigarette smoking, namely cancer of the lung, oral cavity, pharynx, larynx, oesophagus, pancreas, urinary bladder and renal pelvis. Other forms of tobacco smoking, such as cigars, pipes and bidis, also increase risk for cancer, including cancer of the lung and parts of the upper aerodigestive tract. A meta-analysis of over 50 studies on involuntary smoking among never smokers showed a consistent and statistically significant association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and lung cancer risk. Smoking is currently responsible for a third of all cancer deaths in many Western countries. It has been estimated that every other smoker will be killed by tobacco.
 
I'm sorry what? There is direct evidence that proves that smoking has relative causality to cancer including lung cancer. Conventional wisdom my arse - it's proven fact - you have to be blind or extremely lacking in brain capacity to not get it.

I think he's saying that you can get lung cancer from things other than smoking (genetics etc).

Just because you smoke doesn't mean that the cancer was caused by smoking.

And just because you have lung cancer when you've never smoked does not mean other people passive smoke caused it.

But smoking can cause cancer.
 
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