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Doctors urge ban on smoking in cars
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Where has your hatred of smokers come from?
If it goes underground then it will cost more for the nhs treating people for all kinds of problems, and that is while it is not getting the money from smokers.
Are you aware that now that smoking has been banned in planes the air quality on flights is actually worse.
To be able to have a cigarette before / after you get in a car on the way to work / the shops rather than in the ten / twenty minute journey?
Why cant a have a fag during the journey if no one else is in the car?
Or would you rather I was able to stand next to someone else whilst I smoked.
If I am in my car and you are breathing in my smoke then you are either in my car (get out you thief!)
or you can run very fast.
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I think you will find that you're breathing in clouds of smoke walking along the pavement in London regardless of smokers.
Because you're not the only one on the road.
Some people cannot handle doing anything more than driving, as some people cannot handle driving full stop. But you still see them on the road.
Unfortunately, just like insurance we all have to suffer.
That should also mean that no one can have a car stereo as well, as that could provide a distraction. Or any one else in the car as they might make a noise and distract the driver.
I'm not pro smoking, but dando makes the valid point. Many a time I've been distracted listening to the radio in a car - I just don't do it now.
You know you just repeated what I said and also showing that you didn't read everything I wrote? I said I knew that and some of us can deal with minor distractions but other people can't.
Just because you can, should the road be full of the morons who can't?
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How is that not clear. Let me spell it out. Smokers have been told that smoking is bad for both you and the people around you and yet you still do it. You're given a vast amount of information, none of it to support the habit, and yet you still do it. To me that screams a lack of self control. You know it's killing you and yet you still do it.
My hatred for smokers comes from them not being considerate to others, with them littering their buts all over the footpath, with them making the environment stink, harming the people around them, their family, their children and worse themselves. It's a filthy habit carried out by people being deliberately ignorant. It couldn't be any more clear, all the information is there. Day by day, puff by puff, smokers are killing themselves and they know it but they choose to keep doing it. That to me is worth every bit of scorn and contempt that I can throw their way.
My mates father just passed away from a massive case of cancer. He'd had his lung removed with a tumor the size of a football and was given a good prognosis but a few weeks ago started suffering extreme pain. He spent the last few weeks of his life in agony with his family going through it every step of the way. Dosed up on morphine, unable to sit up for the pain he eventually passed away yesterday. He's left his wife distressed and traumatised with her sons deeply concerned for her well-being. He was a heavy smoker for a great deal of his life.
For anyone to even consider taking that risk with the claim that you are "only effecting myself" screams deliberate ignorance. You're simply and extremely accurately put, stupid. You argue with things like "but what would the government do without the taxes" or "it's my choice, I'm not effecting anyone else" or "you don't have the right to take away my own choice". You over complicate what is a clearly black and white issue. Smoking kills, you're doing it to yourself. Like it or not you also effect people around you, either directly or indirectly both physically and emotionally. But it's your choice isn't it. With all that in mind are you still happy with that choice? What kind of a person faced with that information still makes that choice?
I am not saying that smoking is fine.
Its just, the reasons that we get for banning things like this can quite easily be transferred on to other things.
The only reason they have is to do with passive smoking. If I am the only person in the car then im not passive smoking, im smoking, which is legal.
If you cant deal with minor distractions whilst driving in a safe way then you should not be allowed to drive.
You asked for an example so I gave you one
It could kill me. Smoking can cause cancer. If you smoke you don't automatically get it.
Let me start by saying that I am truly sorry about that. My thoughts are with you, your friend and your friends family.
Thing is I am a very considerate smoker, I dont drop my fag butts on the floor and I only smoke in designated areas.
Which on my part shows that I do have self control. I do not smoke around people that dont smoke.
This could be reversed very easily.
You drink and therefore I hold you in contempt, I have seen the damage that alcohol can cause and I have also had to do cpr on a child that had no ribs because of an rta due to a drunk driver.
So I also hold you in contempt because you drink, regardless of the fact that you may well be a responsible drinker.
Now, I know it is hard, but try to take emotion out of it.
I am very considerate when it comes to smoking. Ultimately it is my choice to smoke. As it is legal I am doing nothing wrong. If I do not let other people breath in my smoke whilst driving then how am I harming others?
I am not saying that you did not give a reason.
I am mealy pointing out that in my position it would be better for eveyone if I smoked in the car.
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I'm not sure what this is in relation to as it doesn't have any particular context but if it is in relation to the thread title - it's the Royal College of Physicians who are recommending the ban, rather than just one doctor.
So would you say that anyone who partakes in a habit which damages them has a lack of self control?
Smoking can kill or reduce quality of life through a variety of smoking related diseases - that doesn't automatically imply that it will do in every possible instance. A fair number of people who smoke will die of causes unrelated to smoking.
While smoking and deaths from it can affect the families of smokers I don't think legislating against it beyond a certain level is desirable either in theory or in practice. There are thousands of people who do things every day that affect their families negatively and we do not (and should not) legislate against most of them. At some point you've got to accept that people are big enough and ugly enough to make their own mistakes (if that term is not unduly perjorative).
For what it is worth I've never smoked, I really don't the smell and I've lost both my grandfathers and an uncle to smoking related diseases but I don't believe I've got the right to tell other people how to live their lives. If they're in my house then sure, I may say to them I'd prefer if they don't smoke but on their property I wouldn't dream of it.
when i went into KFC i saw this young teenage mother and her bf and his friend ( i think but it was a girl 2 men and a baby ) and all 3 of them where smoking inside the car. I dont think they where fags, they where joints or something. The baby (or little child ) was about 1-2 ish and all the windows where closed....the police walked by and they looked in but didnt do anything..
That is wrong. I can only hope that social services take the child away before it is too late.
Me being a smoker thats trying to quit... the only stress smoking takes away is the stress the "need to smoke" gives you. It doesn't solve anything else.
I quit smoking 5 days ago and have to stop doing it for at least 1 month to get rid of my cough, but I strongly disagree with this idea, don't tell people what they can and cannot do in their own property.
Smokers cost less so why on earth would you want to ban it, it'd mean a tax rise for everyone.
Of course, this effect disappears if you smoke more than 1 fag per day.
What stress and need to smoke, I've smoked for the past 4 months ( one or two per 2 days) and I can't say I've noticed anything now that I've stopped and don't feel any need to smoke, the only reason I smoked was to make me feel light headed just after work or occasionally during long days on uni.
Smokers cost less so why on earth would you want to ban it, it'd mean a tax rise for everyone.
Nonsense, even on the first sig I had I clearly felt the relaxing effect of it, it lasts very short but it makes you feel very lightheaded. Kinda the same effect as when you inhale Nitrous just far milder ( eg. it doesn't knock you out like nitrous).
Of course, this effect disappears if you smoke more than 1 fag per day.
What stress and need to smoke, I've smoked for the past 4 months ( one or two per 2 days) and I can't say I've noticed anything now that I've stopped and don't feel any need to smoke, the only reason I smoked was to make me feel light headed just after work or occasionally during long days on uni.
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