Budget 2010

Amp34 said:
When has Scotland shown the rest of the UK up with regards to energy?

If you're talking about oil and gas well you are sadly mistaken. Scotland has only a small amount of the Oil and Gas in the UK, The shetlands (a seperate entity) and the north of England have most of the oil and Gas in the British isles. Just because a lot of it ends up going through Scotland doesn't make it yours ;).
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O'rly


"Scotland also has significant quantities of fossil fuel deposits, including 62.4% of the EU's proven reserves of oil......................................................, 12.5% of the EU's proven reserves of gas and 69% of UK coal reserves.[3] Nonetheless, the Scottish Government has set ambitious targets for renewable energy production. In 2005 the aim was for 18% of Scotland's electricity production to be generated by renewable sources by 2010, rising to 40% by 2020.[15] In 2007 this was increased to 50 per cent of electricity from renewables by 2020, with an interim target of 31 per cent by 2011.[16] The following year new targets to reduce overall greenhouse gas emissions by 80% by 2050 were announced and then confirmed in the 2009 Climate Change Delivery Plan. Maf Smith, director of the Sustainable Development Commission in Scotland said "Governments across the world are shying away from taking the necessary action. The Scottish Government must be commended for its intention to lead the way".[17][18]"
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You also, talk crap.

The UK got a free ride first time round, it won't the second. :)

Is my point.
 
We don't need oil, gas or coal.
We need uranium and thorium.

We need nuclear, and frankly none of us care about Scotland really.
 
Biohazard said:
what, against other cider products?

rubbish.
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ermmm no against larger, ale etc

i, like many others like to drink all types depending on my mood. but why the heck do i want to pay more for a cider because of the goverments genius idea...

this will result in reduced sales for cider companies soley because its more pricey due to no fault of its own, that sir you will find is anti-competitive.

the simple fact is that they have tarnished all ciders with the same brush, and not targeted the problematic ciders that alcoholics and tramps drink
 
"Stamp duty scrapped for homes below £250,000 for first-time buyers"

What a load of rubbish.. That's fine for them but people still have to move out for the home to become available otherwise how else is a chain going to complete. We thought about moving last year but the £15k SD bill put us off a bit yet 40 miles noth we wouldn't have had to pay as much. SD is really out of touch and it's either all or nothing, or pay the tax on the profit made from sale.. Not the whole amount.


"Tobacco duty up 1% from midnight on Sunday and by 2% in real terms each year until 2014 "

Dirty habit and a burden to the NHS.. Stick it up 10%
 
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rypt said:
Yes I am arguing that the entire system needs to be changed, from the ground up.
The world changes rapidly, but the political systems are still all based on what worked centuries ago and they are no longer what is needed now
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The world doesn't actually change rapidly at all.
What should our political system be?
I'll await your response to the rest of my question also, as you are just spouting nonsense and not actually backing it up with anything. Everyone can say "we need change" but until you outline what that change is and how it's achieved then it means nothing.
 
Ahleckz said:
Taken from the BBC website:
"A bit more info on that stamp duty cut. Poring over the figures in the Budget Red Book, we understand the measure will cost the Treasury £230m in 2010-11 and £290m in 2011-12. And raising the rate on homes worth more than £1m will not raise enough to plug that hole - raising an estimated £90m in 2010-11 and £70m in 2011-12."

I haven't looked at the Red Book so can't offer anything more than what is there.

I suppose it's looking at past projections for house purchases? It must be quanitifed somehow...
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The maximum 'lost' tax is essentially £2.5k.

In order for a £230m loss to occur, there would need to be 92,000 first time purchases over the year.

Given the average house price (not including London) is around £192k, the 'lost' tax is £1,900, which would require 121,000 first time buys.

There were circa 198,000 FTBs in 2009, so that figure could indeed be accurate.
 
rypt said:
We don't need oil, gas or coal.
We need uranium and thorium.

We need nuclear, and frankly none of us care about Scotland really.
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I do.

Further, I suppose you'll be giving up plastics & your car as well as many many many other products that rely on plastics?
 
^Ignore him he's just a troll.

phil_c_ said:
ermmm no against larger, ale etc

i, like many others like to drink all types depending on my mood. but why the heck do i want to pay more for a cider because of the goverments genius idea...

this will result in reduced sales for cider companies soley because its more pricey due to no fault of its own, that sir you will find is anti-competitive.

the simple fact is that they have tarnished all ciders with the same brush, and not targeted the problematic ciders that alcoholics and tramps drink
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I think generally speaking, that the spirits and beers have been hit more over the years... they are probably playing catch up with the cider.

Although, this is purely a guess... I'd need to go through the old 'tarrifs' at work.
 
Biohazard said:
O'rly




You also, talk crap.

The UK got a free ride first time round, it won't the second. :)

Is my point.
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Wow wikipedia... ;)

Still doesn't remove the fact that the shetlands are technically a seperate entity, if Scotland wanted their independence the Shetlands would have to decide if they wanted to go with them. ;)

Now considering most of the oil is in Shetlands water (which wiki classes as scottish waters), and most of the gas in Englands water...

We all know your hatred for anything to do with england and the UK so I suppose you'll just ignore it all.:D

EDIT: Eg. http://www.journal-online.co.uk/article/5121-shetland-chief-calls-for-independence
 
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Ahleckz said:
I do.

Further, I suppose you'll be giving up plastics & your car as well as many many many other products that rely on plastics?
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Missed the recent research out of Korea I think (or was it Japan), where they created basic plastic from just the basic components without using oil
 
Biohazard said:
I think generally speaking, that the spirits and beers have been hit more over the years... they are probably playing catch up with the cider.

Although, this is purely a guess... I'd need to go through the old 'tarrifs' at work.
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point taken, but i still thinks its disproptionate and i do think it was generally aimed at cider because its seen as a 'problematic drink'. but your average cider has been put in the same bracket as the cheap ciders ie 3litres for £2. yet when you look at it they are purely chemical. i think the goverment has just been lazy without looking at the whole picture...
 
Amp34 said:
Wow wikipedia... ;)

Still doesn't remove the fact that the shetlands are technically a seperate entity, if Scotland wanted their independence the Shetlands would have to decide if they wanted to go with them. ;)

Now considering most of the oil is in Shetlands water (which wiki classes as scottish waters), and most of the gas in Englands water...

We all know your hatred for anything to do with england and the UK so I suppose you'll just ignore it all.:D
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Wow, show disdain for wiki when it doesn't fit with your argument.

Sounds about right.

It is a clear unbiased article, I'm sorry you cannot accept that. It was linked two pages ago, go read.

Shetland was ceded back to Scotland way before the UK become a reality, I don't really know what you are on about.. it is both a council area and a Scottish parliament consituency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland

Go read, they are apart of Scotland and the UK.

I do not hate the UK, I just do not agree with it politically. My views have nothing to do with you being completely wrong.
 
rypt said:
Missed the recent research out of Korea I think (or was it Japan), where they created basic plastic from just the basic components without using oil
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I've had enough of you. Go away please, this thread was fine until your foolish arguments based on nothing came in.
 
phil_c_ said:
ermmm no against larger, ale etc

i, like many others like to drink all types depending on my mood. but why the heck do i want to pay more for a cider because of the goverments genius idea...

this will result in reduced sales for cider companies soley because its more pricey due to no fault of its own, that sir you will find is anti-competitive.
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Because, as I pointed out earlier in the thread, cider currently pays far lower taxes than beer and lager. Currently the duties are:

Cider and Perry of up to 7.5% £31.83 per 100 litres
Beer £16.47 for every 1% of strength per 100 litres

Which means a bottle of cider attracts about half as much tax as a 4% beer.
 
groen said:
fair tax is an oxymoron...

taxmans idea of a compromise or fair tax:

should we tax you now or later
now and later
should we increase tax 2% on vat, or keep vat the same (so you save 2%) lol
should we tax you 2% alcohol or 2% more on vat, so you have a choice how we take your money, who said the taxman was not fair ?

There is no fair tax fools!

it makes me sick how so many people here are pro government and pro tax, it disgusts me.
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Are you not going to answer the other questions?
 
tax was never meant to be a means for the government to enforce its social and health based opinions on to the population. it was meant to be a means to raise funds for services that the population thought would be better handled through a non private entity.
 
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