Doctors urge ban on smoking in cars

[Banzai_Joe]

Pfft, my entire family smokes and all my friends do. They make me happy and I make them happy. They don't care if I harm them, they live the way they want to, just like I do. Just like everybody should do.

I don't believe in changing myself just because someone doesn't like something about me.

Acutally i think you'll find that if everyone thought like you the world would be even more in the crap than it is now.

Sod the Haitians....let em sort themselves out after the quake, who cares eh?
Let the Ethiopians/Africans/everyone esle in the 3rd world who truly needs help....balls to em....its their problem eh?

 

[RDM]

Ah so we get to the crux of it - you just don't care if you're harming other people... you're a prime example of why it should be banned. If you really cared about your family and friends you wouldn't smoke around them.

You aren't being exactly selfless yourself are you? You don't like smoking (and are rather militant about it like many ex smokers) so rather than trying to protect others from second hand smoke they don't want you would rather just ban smoking entirely. So someone who is in their car by themselves would not be able to smoke either. You also want to "help" others that don't want your help and have no issues with breathing in second hand smoke. For their own good of course...

 

[Azrael]

Oh well, let chaos and anarchy reign. As long as I'm happy and my family/friends are happy, I don't give a damn what happens to you, anybody else or this planet.

 

[Banzai_Joe]

Blimey some people actually rally up quite a post count before starting out on a useless trolling exercise.
Congrats!

 

[Azrael]

Blimey some people actually rally up quite a post count before starting out on a useless trolling exercise.
Congrats!

Um, what?

Anyway, back on topic. As I've said before, smoking shouldn't be banned in cars as a car is private property, therefore people should be able to do what they like within their own property.

 

[Gaygle]

Because, funnily enough, I don't like heroin and I have a loving girlfriend. I honestly believe we're on this earth to just live. I choose to live by doing what I enjoy, which happens to be smoking, gaming and a certain smoked substance whilst gaming. So what? It's my life, I can do whatever the hell I want with it.

I've already said, i agree. I'm not suggesting that we ban people from smoking. If people want to smoke, let them, but what i'm arguing is that some people don't get the choice not to smoke - ie. kids in a car when their parents are smoking.

I believe in personal freedom. Obviously, people can't go around killing others, stealing etc, but for the legal things, I don't give a damn what other people think. Again, it's my choice.

See above

I'm not deflecting any issues. As for you saying about the dentist, I realise people get ill and die from smoking, but other people don't. Just like from everything else.

About half of all smokers die from smoking-related diseases. If you are a long-term smoker, on average, your life expectancy is about 10 years less than a non-smoker. Put another way, in the UK about 8 in 10 non-smokers live past the age of 70, but only about half of long-term smokers live past 70. The younger you are when you start smoking, the more likely you are to smoke for longer and to die early from smoking.

You drive, you can die. You drink, you can die. You swim, you can die. It doesn't matter what you do, there's always a chance of dying.

If you smoke, you increase your risk of more than 50 serious health conditions. Some may be fatal and others can cause irreversible long-term damage to your health. Smoking is one of the biggest causes of death and illness in the UK

In the UK, around 114,000 people die every year from smoking-related illnesses

This is opposed to the people 2,500 that die in motor accidents.

For someone who claims to love "living life", you certainly seem hell bent on shortening it.

 

[Banzai_Joe]

Um, what?

My point being that you have categorically stated you only care for those immediately around you and nothing or no one would seemingly be able change your mind.
So the 'smoking' debate could actually be about anything else topical, but as you don't care for anything other your immediate circle, your input is limited and narrowsighted.
You are of course entitled to your opinion mate, no problem with that, but once you said such a determined "**** everyone else" statement, i'd see every post after that as trolling as you'll offer nothing else useful to debate.


edit: lol, back on topic, i do agree with you, smoking in private cars should be the right of the owner and not banned. One would just HOPE they weren't selfish and stupid enough to smoke whilst non-smokers are in the car.

 

[I get around]

Oh well, let chaos and anarchy reign. As long as I'm happy and my family/friends are happy, I don't give a damn what happens to you, anybody else or this planet.

Thats a really selfish attitude, downright disrespectful, where were your parents when they were supposed to be raising you?

 

[Azrael]

If non-smokers don't mind, then why not smoke in your car, or anywhere in fact? As long as the smoker in question is polite enough to ask if they can smoke, I don't see the problem.

Also, Gaygle - "hell bent on shortening it", I don't particuarly want to be an old man, doddering around, slowly wasting away. Like i said, die doing something you enjoy.

 

[Gaygle]

If non-smokers don't mind, then why not smoke in your car, or anywhere in fact?

The point is, non-smokers usually DO mind.

As long as the smoker in question is polite enough to ask if they can smoke, I don't see the problem.

Yep, that's Britain, a nation full of polite, well mannered and caring people. You last post just proved that you don't care who breathes your smoke because you only care about your friends and family, so you've just basically invalidated you own point...

Also, Gaygle - "hell bent on shortening it", I don't particuarly want to be an old man, doddering around, slowly wasting away. Like i said, die doing something you enjoy.

Great, i trust when (if) you turn 65 you'll be hurling yourself under a bus then?

 

[Azrael]

Thats a really selfish attitude, downright disrespectful, where were your parents when they were supposed to be raising you?

They were raising me, they raised me to be a polite, respectful man. But the more I see of some people in the world, the more disillusioned I become. So that's why I'd rather care about myself and people close to me, because to me, that's all that matters.

Gaygle - I won't be ending my life, but I don't see the point in extending it either.

 

[Gaygle]

Gaygle - I won't be ending my life, but I don't see the point in extending it either.

You're either very naive or you're chosing to not think about your future health by coming up with rubbish excuses that are designed to convince yourself that smoking won't kill you/severely impact your quality of life. And you're doing this because it's too hard for you to give up and you don't have the will power, so you push it to the back of your mind, and look at the tiny minority of people who have smoked all their life and been fine, yet ignore the much large majority who have died in agony as a result of their smoking.

But, like i said, that's obviously your decision - just don't try and pretend that you're going to be fine smoking because you're much more likely to be one of the unlucky ones. And even if you are a "lucky one" you still have those nice yellow teeth, the pugent breath, the horrible smell and the coughing up phelgm in the morning.

 

[RDM]

But, like i said, that's obviously your decision - just don't try and pretend that you're going to be fine smoking because you're much more likely to be one of the unlucky ones.

That really isnt the case though is it? From your own figures it is estimated that 50% of people that smoke will be killed by smoking and that half of those will die of old age. So you are in fact just as likely to be one of the lucky ones as the unlucky ones.

 

[Azrael]

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You really don't get me. I never said I'd be one of the lucky ones, or that I think I won't get ill.

The simple truth is, I just don't care. I don't plan on smoking all my life, but I really don't care about my health.

 

[Gaygle]

That really isnt the case though is it? From your own figures it is estimated that 50% of people that smoke will be killed by smoking and that half of those will die of old age. So you are in fact just as likely to be one of the lucky ones as the unlucky ones.

No, the figures say that 25% won't even make it to old age, dying between 30-50 (middle age?).

This isn't even taking into account those which suffer from smoking related diseases such as cancers or emphysema and having severely compromised QoL.

 

[RDM]

No, the figures say that 25% won't even make it to old age, dying between 30-50 (middle age?).

You said "much more likely to be one of the unlucky ones" but it seems that 50% of people that smoke die of smoking related illnesses (that doesn't actually mean that smoking caused it all, but for the sake of argument we will say that it did). If half die and half dont then you can't be "much more likely" can you?

There are some very good anti-smoking arguments already without exaggerating for effect, it just weakens the overall argument.

 

[SteveOBHave]

You aren't being exactly selfless yourself are you? You don't like smoking (and are rather militant about it like many ex smokers) so rather than trying to protect others from second hand smoke they don't want you would rather just ban smoking entirely. So someone who is in their car by themselves would not be able to smoke either. You also want to "help" others that don't want your help and have no issues with breathing in second hand smoke. For their own good of course...

Hell no - but at the same time I'm not being selfish about my anti-smoking millitance. I completely feel that I personally shouldn't have to deal with second hand smoke and feel offended by someone suggesting that it's their right to carry out an action that directly effects me because it's legal.

If we lived in this fairy tale world where smokers were all these wonderful people that were careful about what they were doing and aware of the effect it has on others then I wouldn't call for it to be banned. The simple case is that not all of them are, in fact I would venture to say that the majority of smokers couldn't care a less that when they smoke walking down a pavement that all the smoke they exhale effects the people around them.

We're not talking about hypothetical situations in a hypothetical world, this is the real world and people are out for number one (one way or another) and I am no different - I want to look after my life because I want to live as long as I can - this is my one chance at life and I have no intention of shortening it unnecessarily.

 

[Gaygle]

You really don't get me. I never said I'd be one of the lucky ones, or that I think I won't get ill.

No you didn't say that you would be one of the lucky ones, but your post above, in which you point out that your mum is fine after 40 years of smoking, tells me that you still have hope that you'll be one of the "lucky ones".

The simple truth is, I just don't care. I don't plan on smoking all my life, but I really don't care about my health.

Rubbish. Of course you care about your health, or you wouldn't have just said "i don't plan on smoking all of my life".

 

[SteveOBHave]

You really don't get me. I never said I'd be one of the lucky ones, or that I think I won't get ill.

The simple truth is, I just don't care. I don't plan on smoking all my life, but I really don't care about my health.

Wow - you really have no credibility at all do you? Are you hanging out for 250 posts so you can get free postage from OcUK?

 

[RDM]

Hell no - but at the same time I'm not being selfish about my anti-smoking millitance.

This sentence is contradicted by the following sentence.

I completely feel that I personally shouldn't have to deal with second hand smoke and feel offended by someone suggesting that it's their right to carry out an action that directly effects me because it's legal.

And also this sentence.

We're not talking about hypothetical situations in a hypothetical world, this is the real world and people are out for number one (one way or another) and I am no different