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Interesting 470 overclocked article on tweaktown

Some nice gains there. Not really feasible 24/7 unless you're on a 3rd party cooler or under water imo. Could be some more value from these cards yet.
 
The problem is that it's not fair having one card overclocked while the others remain at stock.

Here we go again..:rolleyes:

The review pretty clearly states that. Look at the performance gain available though, it's not too shabby for cards we all expected to be running within an inch or their life.
 
lol, tweaktown really are daft, we didn't increase voltages, so power going down is understandable? Really, they didn't manage to explain how under load a 160W supposedly 5850, and a supposedly 215W 470gtx, are 110W apart in power draw.

Methinks they most likely took a power draw at three settings and mistook the "low" speed for the highest speed one. More work = more power on a pretty solid scale, just voltage is on an exponential scale so no voltage increase means steady predictable power increase, not massive exponential power increase.


Either way, 75% increase in price over a 5850, which is the same speed, it overclocked just over 10%, a 5850 overclocks by 25% pretty damn easily, meaning at max overclocks the 5850's lead will increase, at £200 vs £350. Its a no brainer, and it gets WORSE after overclocking. Even upping the 5850's voltage by 10%, clocks by 30%, the power is still WELL below a 470GTX, its a shockingly poor value card at stock and worse overclocked.

The 480gtx is much better value purely because it gets compared to a 5870, and actually offers increased performance, even if its not enough to warrant it. The 5870 is flat out faster, and cheaper than a 470gtx, and again overclocks further.

Why would a card that costs 75% more, and overclocks no where near as far, have potential? At stock they are closer than at their max overclocks, seriously you can come VERY close to buying 2x5850 for the cost of a single 470gtx, and you could get them pretty much now.

Its not at all rare for companies to send out the best binned bits to be reviewed either. It remains to be seen if 1, the prices hold till they are in stock or a second batch arrives, 2, if retail ones overclock as well and 3, if AMD introduce a couple new models, the overclocked 5870/5970 and maybe even a 2gb 5850, the current models all don't drop down in price a little making them even better value.
 
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Here we go again..:rolleyes:

The review pretty clearly states that. Look at the performance gain available though, it's not too shabby for cards we all expected to be running within an inch or their life.

Sorry I don't want this to become another ati vs nvidia thread. I'm just stating in general, in any reviews out there where they compare one card overclocked against others at stock, it's not really a fair comparison.

The same goes with situations where people compare a stock 5870 to an overclocked 5850 and no doubt an overclocked gtx470 to a stock gtx480. Of course, these tests will show that they are very good value for money but at the same time, it shouldn't mean that people buying the more powerful cards are wasting their money because they can overclock as well.

The gtx470 looks like a decent card to buy but not in the UK.
 
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Sorry I don't want this to become another ati vs nvidia thread. I'm just stating in general, in any reviews out there where they compare one card overclocked against others at stock, it's not really a fair comparison.

The same goes with situations where people compare a stock 5870 to an overclocked 5850 and no doubt an overclocked gtx470 to a stock gtx480. Of course, these tests will show that they are very good value for money but at the same time, it shouldn't mean that people buying the more powerful cards are wasting their money because they can overclock as well.

The gtx470 looks like a decent card to buy but not in the UK.

My apologies. After all the threads recently my patience is wearing thin.

Your point is, of course, perfectly valid but it is pointed out several times in the review too. I think the point of the article is to see really how well the 470 will clock. The comparison graphs added are just for context and it's pretty clear they're not comparing overclocked with overclocked as would be fair.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I agree.
 
they should do the same with the HD5850 as the GTX470 is supposed to be its oppression
 
I understand the point in the article, and that's to demonstrate GTX470 overclocking potential.

The fact that they didn't include overclocked 5850 and 5870 numbers is irrelevant I think because that#s not what the article was about.

As a performance article however, it's a bit pointless because as has been said, you can overclock the 5850 and 5870 quite a bit too.

But yeah, it was an article about GTX470 overclocking potential, which I found mildly interesting comparing it to the GTX480, seems that it overclocked pretty well, but also implies the GTX480 will barely overclock at all.
 
Drunkenmaster, your pirces are wrong.

Not sure where you have seen a hd 5850 for £200 and what gtx 470 is £350, is it the highest priced one you could find. Cheapest I have seen in the uk is about £299, cheapest hd 5850 i can find is about £220.

The gtx 470 doesn't cost 75% more than an hd 5850, only in your 'slightly' amd biased mind.
 
Drunkenmaster, your pirces are wrong.

Not sure where you have seen a hd 5850 for £200 and what gtx 470 is £350, is it the highest priced one you could find. Cheapest I have seen in the uk is about £299, cheapest hd 5850 i can find is about £220.

The gtx 470 doesn't cost 75% more than an hd 5850, only in your 'slightly' amd biased mind.

I bought a 5850 for £193 a week after launch, I almost bought a second for crossfire at £195 last week, they can be found quite easily, as others have said recently someone did a sale on the 5870 for £250 a couple weeks ago and I've seen other here suggest someone is selling them for £270 though I've not seen that myself.

As for the cheapest 470gtx, well, i'll let you judge.

But keep in mind how many stores had a very cheap 5850 listed at £190-200 for months, that would never come in stock, while ones listed at a higher price did. Or how a Sapphire stock would be £200 and never appear, but a "new" say, COD version would appear at £240 around the place in stock.

Just because there are some pre-orders at £320, doesn't actually mean they'll either come in at that price, or that anything more than the very first shipment will be that price. The average price is pretty much £350, thats the price the majority are priced at, that suggests to me the others are "teaser" cards. So everyone pre-orders a £299 or £320 one, and when the others come in stock those that can't wait change theirs to a different card for a little more, its not a new practice at all.

Even if we change the pricing because I'm biased, £200(which I can see them in stock for today) versus the very best case scenario of £300, is a 50% price increase for a basically identical performing card.

Overclock the 470gtx by 10%, overclock the 5850 by 20%(the lowest I've seen) or by 35%(1012.5Mhz core, I've seen several) or anything inbetween, the 470gtx becomes even worse value.

This is ignoring the load temps, and noise, at stock on a 470gtx which is significantly worse than a 5850, can you imagine the load temps and noise when you overclock it even further, considering load temps were 93-96C across the reviews, and the thermal throttling is at 105C and you have no idea how they tested that card(most reviewers test out of cases for simplicity, changing dozens of parts every single day gets tiresome in a case), its just not looking good any which way you cut it.

IF it turns out the 99% of 470gtx's are sold at £350, well to be fair, the majority of people buying 5850's are paying over £200 aswell, though thats more stupidity than anything. Theres only been around a month since launch you couldn't hunt around and get one very very close to £200.

Then again, supply is going to be worse, so the price gouging on 470gtx's WILL be higher than the 5850's due to lack of supply. The saving grace maybe in keeping prices in check is if prices get out of control, who on earth would pay £400 for a 470gtx when you can get 2x5850.
 
You make a good point about "teaser" cards, i'll have to look out for that.

But if we totally level the playing field as far as prices, by which i mean the prices recommended by ati and nvidia for the 5850 and gtx 470, there is not a massive gap between them in terms of price and performance.
 
OC or no OC fermi is a big fail..no ifs no buts,lets wait for revision 2.

How is the fastest GPU ever a fail exactly?

Isn't it that we expect a lot from Nvidia, and with the huge amount of HD5000s flooding the market, we don't feel that Nvidia have raised the bar enough to warrant serious competition, yet...

But as you said, the modified Fermi cards are probably the ones Nvidia will be judged upon.

It wasn't until the GTX275 and GTX285 that Nvidia's previous GPU's began to shine. Replacing the GTX260/280

I still don't see why people are buying HD5800 series cards, though?

Crossfire HD4890s or SLI GTX275's are all you need.
 
How is the fastest GPU ever a fail exactly?

The GTX480 ISN'T the fastest GPU ever, it's more expensive than the fastest by around 50%, it's a huge fail.

I still don't see why people are buying HD5800 series cards, though?

Crossfire HD4890s or SLI GTX275s are all you need.

DX11? Eyefinity? More performance?

I'd rather a 5850 over crossfired 4890s.
 
Kylew beat me to it, but that really wasn't the cleverest of posts I've seen there Jayce.

As for why would people buy a 5800? I've recently got an Asus 5850 and I can run Bad Company 2 at 1920x1200 at high settings and average between 40-50 fps and that's without any overclocking yet!

Pretty sound reason to buy a 5800 card I would have thought?
 
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