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Well it formalises it. Both after the fact, and during.
MSc the new BSc?
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Hello. I am about to do an integrated MEng BEng program in chemcal engineering this September. I have already got one BSc in medical sciences and I can say that in biomedical sciences job preference goes to the candidate with good accumulated marks overs their three years in BSc programs. Those wanting to do research need a masters minmum whereas phd level would be preferred. My engineerng degree provides both BEng and MEng in one package rather coveniently as many jobs in that sector especially undertaking ICHEME acceptance later one require a good BEng degree and masters degree. The jobs I have seen that do not require a masters in chem engineerng are in Dubai for some reason. The US requires masters as does other parts of the world. Any more questions feel free to pm me.
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Accountancy?
If so, it because CA/ACA performance has tighter correlation to A-Levels performance than other qualifications.
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I've got a business studies degree. I'm a business analyst, which to be good requires a decent grounding in all areas of business, such as accountancy, marketing, technology, etc. It also requires a number of specific skills, such as UML and soft skills required for extracting requirements and stakeholder management. In other words a business studies degree is just about perfect.
Getting a job isn't difficult and I earn a lot. Having graduated eight years ago there is no different in salary between my friends who went the grad job route and those who didn't. The different is in those who are good at what they do and those who aren't.
I don't think the problem is with degrees (although I do think there are too many people in higher educations) its with the selection processes for grad roles with large companies.
MSci's are quite well known in the Geoscience industry, however they are at a different standard (same with the engineering MEng, I was going to go on one of those if I carred on with my Civ Eng course). For starters they are only 120 credits, not the 180 credits that proper masters are. Obviously they are classed as slightly better than a bog standard BSc/BEng but a proper MSc grad will be put way above both.
You seem to be misunderstanding the point of the thread entirely TBH. It has nothing to do with the funding needs of a masters, but everything to do with the "devaluing" of BSc's and MSc's becoming what BSc's were 30 years ago. The only proposal I can think of would be to reduce the number of BSc's back to what they were a few years ago so they are become special again, so people wouldn't need to do masters just to stand out a little and turn masters back into something that people do to really get ahead, instead of what it is starting to become now.
At the moment I can see someone having to do a BSc and MSc just to get a job on a bog standard grad scheme on something like £16-18k in the near future...
What uni are you studying at? Imperial?
From what I understand with the MSci at my uni the MSc students will share some of the courses but will do an extra half on top of what you do (180 credits instead of 120 credits), plus maybe a bit more of their thesis.I did an internship with PGS, onshore, not processing and I really enjoyed it. I'm hoping to get into the marine side of things with either PGS or CGG but at the moment am having no luck. I know from having spoken to a few people from PGS that they don't really see any difference between the BSc and MSci.
That's exactly what I was on about, to get through the filter we seem to be getting to a point of needing MSc's to actually stand out, even if you did a superb course, you're just a standard BSc student. Essentially it's inflation. More and more people are doing BSc's which is "devaluing" BSc's as a whole, so to stand out you need to do an MSc, problem is more and more people are doing MSc's so to stand out you need to do a PHd....
It's all very well having a good interview technique but if you can't get to an interview either because all the jobs "require" an MSc, or because all the other prospectives are MSc grads it's not going to work.
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What uni are you studying at? Imperial?
I did an internship with PGS, onshore, not processing and I really enjoyed it. I'm hoping to get into the marine side of things with either PGS or CGG but at the moment am having no luck. I know from having spoken to a few people from PGS that they don't really see any difference between the BSc and MSci.
Yup, Imperial
. That's what appeals to me about PGS and CGG. In fact, when CGG came to give us a talk, the guy mentioned how he got in with a BSc in completely different degree and still manages to work on the seismic data processing side of things. I imagine you could get into those companies and switch to marine later on, as they seem to pride themselves on the level of flexibility they offer to their employees.I think you are right about the MScs. From what I gather, they have to work on a real world project during their first term and this year they were working on the Wytch Farm project.
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My MSc at UCL as been ******* hard work so far, very little spare time. It kills the student lifestyle that the BSc had associated with it 
But as people have said every one has degrees these days, having extra be it an MSc or PhD is going to make you stand out of the CV pile if nothing else. The question is if they are actually financially viable and pay for themselves over the course of your whole career.
But as people have said every one has degrees these days, having extra be it an MSc or PhD is going to make you stand out of the CV pile if nothing else. The question is if they are actually financially viable and pay for themselves over the course of your whole career.
This...
But it's more complex than that. I guess it will also depend on what area you want to head into after you graduate. Anything technical and you really start needing a MSc or PHd, as you point out actually, people with a bog standard BEng (which when I did my civ eng year still made you eligable for chartered status) are not going to have much chance in that sector...
Yup, Imperial
I think you are right about the MScs. From what I gather, they have to work on a real world project during their first term and this year they were working on the Wytch Farm project.
Especially processing as I think they do a little bit of processing on board too.
In what way? Yes we spoke about jobs possibly needing more skills than they did before, however that doesn't really touch fully on what you quoted. There may be a lot of jobs that haven't really changed yet now with the skimming of CV's the people with qualifications that would have been fine a couple of years ago are now appparently not good enough.
If you do the masters in one go as your first degree then you do not pay anything extra above the normal undergrad rate - which makes much more sense than doing a BSc first and then an MSc at another uni (like I am for MEng atm)
£3225/year (or something)
fees plus living expensesUnless you are Scottish, in which case it is free (quite why Scotland does it differently from England I shall never know
But an undergrad masters /= a full masters in most cases. It's also interesting to note that employers are much more interested in someone having done a masters at a different uni, due to having gone out of their comfort level more.
I was lucky and it cost me £1200 a year, but now thats £3300 and around £7k a year living costs. So a 3 year degree costs around £30k and a 4 year course around £ £40k. A full masters year will cost around £5k (depending on course) and £6k+ for maintenence (suggested around £20k all in for the masters i'm looking at...).
That means around £50k for new grads who have done a masters as well, most of that won't be covered by the SLC either...
Depends in what field usually.
For instance for what I'm doing you an do both BEng and MEng, with the BEng you leave without learning many of the useful things that you would use in industry - while on the MEng you cover them.
I would say doing MEng in one go is the way to go, due to the way the modules are laid out and intertwined with some of the BEng ones (as you do some MEng modules in 3rd year and some BEng ones in 4th) really helps with learning and understanding.
nice so really I'd have to save up enough to have the deposit on a house, or two to three years wages to take a degree.
screw
that
I've worked with people who have degrees and are thick as pig muck. Guess it's more about who can afford to do it than who is willing/able.
screw
that
I've worked with people who have degrees and are thick as pig muck. Guess it's more about who can afford to do it than who is willing/able.
Yet if two similar candidates were applying for a job, one with an MEng and one with an MSc the MSc candidate would probably get the job, especially if the advert specifically stated an MSc..
Remember though that at least £18k of an undergrad course would be through the SLC and as such not a proper loan, although it's still something that will habg over your head.
I doubt it as my all in one MEng course is better than the do BEng first elsewhere then come to the SAME course (but as MSc).
The reason the MEng all in one courses sprang up is because they are actually better overall often than doing courses at two separate institutions.