And then EA saw all these problems and put it on C&C4, a game that already sucked in the first place
EA follows Ubisoft, will sell titles with 'always on' DRM
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And then EA saw all these problems and put it on C&C4, a game that already sucked in the first place
Unless, as in this case, the game hasn't been fully cracked yet and does not function correctly unless left uncracked (and the DRM servers are up and running without issue
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Overall I think it's a good idea if server reliabilty is improved and it meant they'd do away with the other forms of DRM that install programs locally and can cause issues with individual PCs.
I was originally against this until I thought about it and realised I mainly play Eve online, Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2.
What do these games have in common? They all require a constant connection to the internet.
I was originally against this until I thought about it and realised I mainly play Eve online, Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2.
What do these games have in common? They all require a constant connection to the internet.
Whats your point? They're all multiplayer. It kinda comes with the territory. Singleplayer games have nothing to do with the internet, your game experience doesn't improve in any way, shape or form by being connected to the internet, infact and when you can't guarantee connection, its degraded by it for no better reason than the developer/publisher wants control.
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Very true - I don't have a problem with this type of DRM as long as the servers are always up. The other worry is what happens if a company goes bust - I would hope they would have a patch ready to allow offline play.
I also hate how people on Amazon etc. rate the game based on the DRM. Not helpful when trying to get good feedback on the GAME!
Certainly seems to have hurt the sales of AC2 and SH5 - both of which have been seriously reduced in price and are not at the top of the sales charts.
My point is that as long as the servers are reliable and there is some form of buffer in place to protect the player from temporary drop outs in their own connection there should be no great inconvenience to the paying customer.
In this day and age the vast majority of people with PCs capable of playing these games will have an internent connection of some sort. Even those playing on lappy's will generally have some form of mobile internet access and as far as I'm aware it's not as if there's and vast amount of data being shifted between the game and the server.
You say that singleplayer games have nothing to do with the internet but DRM has nothing to do with whether the game is singleplayer or multiplayer and in my opinion the publisher should have a right of control over people copying and using their software without paying for it.
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Can Ubi guarantee increased sales if they beat piracy entirely?
Can guarantee that the new retinal scanning, DNA sampling DRM won't lose them just as many sales?
Can guarantee that the freeloaders will now start buying games they were only had a passing interest in?
Or is this the rosy long-term view that every pirate copy is a lost sale?
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I'm fed up with reading this argument. If you lose your internet connection and want to play games, you go play a singleplayer game (or lan) If all games start using "always on" DRM, then when you're internet goes down you're stuck playing solitaire.
i really don't give a poo about ubi's games.. never bought any never will.. i just don't find any interesting games they release.. i mean i only play racing and fps
so im just discussing about it.. never even had a though of buying AC2 the problem with this is that EA is implementing the same system.. which of course means games like future NFS will have it.. and EA thinks about selling demos(lol) which i will pirate for sure.
Theres no such thing as a buffer to protect people from it and there could never be one. Giving away cheap games that a) they might already have and b) didn't want in the first place is not a buffer.
Publishers do not have the right to control how and when you use the game you bought. Internet Connectivity for a singleplayer game provides NOTHING for the customer. A blanket statement that there is no excuse for not having a stable internet connection is retarded. Sure, if you restrict your statement to solely be based on lovely sub-urban towns somewhere in the USA. I accept that if you live in the middle of nowhere with poor internet access that multiplayer games will be off limits, suggesting otherwise is dumb. Why should 100% singleplayer games be for no better reason than some random company thinks it'll stop piracy.
Sure, its preventing it atm, its new and different so will take time to crack, once its cracked it won't do a damn thing. Let me see my options, buy a singleplayer game and be unable to play it because i lose all progress if my internet so much as sneezes? Download a pirate copy without these restrictions so i can play it when i want to.
And Disjunto just said it. When you have internet trouble and you decide not to play MP games, you generally play a SP instead.
you summed it up pretty good... i think this will just increase the piracy..
people who did not buy but wanted to buy before the cocky drm came out they will just pirate it and play it.. think about it better support.. no connection required.. you dont pay a penny.. whats there to lose? there's many more games you can play while waiting for YES NEW type of security to be cracked.. as i can remember the securom was a bit of a problem at first but then it got cracked and the only people that "suffered" from it was the ones paying...I am playing Assassin's Creed 2. I have never had a problem with roughly 4 hours playing time per session. I don't see a problem in this and it's a way of getting around pirating.
But, as the same time, a website now has emulators available for AC2. Not sure they work but they're available. Still, it took much longer for these to come out
My 2 cents
But, as the same time, a website now has emulators available for AC2. Not sure they work but they're available. Still, it took much longer for these to come out
My 2 cents
it wont take long the next time they use this.. even if they keep improving it i think the amount of sales they lose over the price of making/implementing/upgrading this DRM will be higher..
And do you live in an area where you can generally got a very reliable internet? And so many other factors.
AC2 at least autosaves regularly, so if you do blink ocasionally and lose progress its not *that* big a deal. But look at C&C4, even an EA employee was bitching about it. Lose connection for a moment and you've lost that entire battle, maybe it was the first 5 minutes so no big problem, or maybe it was an hour in? Or maybe it was a level you've had difficulty with, finally manage it and then you lose connection?
Careful now, that sounds almost bufferish and I'm sure I read earlier in this thread that there could never be a buffer against a drop in connection.
What's stop them automatically pausing the game if the connection drops until it's regained or even just having it authenticate every 10 or 15 minutes when the internet is dropping in and out - starting the countdown from when the internet dropped out initially?
I fear for Mass Effect 3.
I've got a feeling that this DRM will be dead and buried by the time of mass effect 3.
Careful now, that sounds almost bufferish and I'm sure I read earlier in this thread that there could never be a buffer against a drop in connection.
What's stop them automatically pausing the game if the connection drops until it's regained or even just having it authenticate every 10 or 15 minutes when the internet is dropping in and out - starting the countdown from when the internet dropped out initially?
Not quite, AC saved regularly. It saves regularly because someone decided to not bother giving PC players quicksave and save slots. Suddenly deciding thats a buffer (especially in a single game) is wrong, its just part of the game.
If you're going to go along that route why even bother with it? Its only a step up from online activation, meaning you need to be connected when you play for the first time (ok a few steps but the point is there). Besides, if they can crack always on DRM, cracking 'periodic' DRM is surely even easier.