Digital Economy Bill passed through the Lords

[grudas]

Exactly, which is why it should be treated along the same lines as other forms of property theft in law, equal, fair and simple.

Although I'd be willing to bet your numbers are way off..

oh im sure they are but still think of the amount of connections to be controlled.. theres no possible way to do it.. even in a long time it will be pretty much like playing cat and mouse with 40mil(again guessed number) connections in uk.. and these are just growing every month.. just so many ways to get what you want from internet.. they will find a way around even if they block sites such as pirate bay..

 

[wozzizname]

Glad to see my MP( Bob Marshall Andrews) kept his word and voted against the Bill . Shame he's standing down at this election, no doubt he'll be replaced with a sheep-like candidate who'll do whatever the whips tell him/her.
No wonder confidence in politicians is falling when stitch-ups like this get through parliament.

 

[platypus]

I'm just pleased I won't be paying 50p broadband tax.

You will still be paying a broadband tax, it is just no longer part of the Digital Economy Bill.

The levy has been moved to the Finance Bill.

 

[Booner!]

What about the extra work for ISP's chasing up these alleged offenders?

This bill is wrong on so many levels, it's disturbing. I do agree with the sentiments of cracking down on illegal copyright infringement, but this is the complete wrong way about doing so.

 

[PiKe]

More evidence to show they haven't a clue what the **** they're approving.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/bo5bb/i_wrote_to_my_mp_2_weeks_ago_regarding_the_de/

 

[meghatronic]

More evidence to show they haven't a clue what the **** they're approving.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldpolitics/comments/bo5bb/i_wrote_to_my_mp_2_weeks_ago_regarding_the_de/

I dislike how they've basically admitted it's okay to breach some laws as long as you're the government (DPA).... or a record company.

 

[PiKe]

I dislike how they've basically admitted it's okay to breach some laws as long as you're the government (DPA).... or a record company.

They own the copyright though, but doesn't it essentially become a honey trap if they're sharing their own material?

 

[meghatronic]

They own the copyright though, but doesn't it essentially become a honey trap if they're sharing their own material?

Entrapment is a tricky thing in the UK, afaik it doesn't really exist as "if good faith" it's allowed.

Also, nice summary of the DEB in the Guardian (apologies if posted already): http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/apr/08/digital-economy-bill

 

[LordSplodge]

How exactly?

By doing what Booner! did or what I have done so far. I've written to two MP's, and I am currently writing to David Cameron. I've written to my local paper and attended protest rallies organised by privacy groups.

Over 10,000 people have written to their MPs and are ignored. How is that democracy working?

A General Election is coming up. We have a chance at making our feelings known.

 

[PiKe]

The Bill won't be removed just because another party comes into power though will it?

 

[Radiation]

Why does it feel like governments always do stuff against the people, i propose a system of governance where you vote on issues and not just for people or party's, i think it's time for real change.

 

[LordSplodge]

The Bill won't be removed just because another party comes into power though will it?

Depends if the populace make it an election issue. I.e. we'll vote for you if you repeal the bill.

Write. Act. Protest. Rebel.

 

[PiKe]

I vote radiation for pm.

 

[billyboyd]

Not really up with current events..

File sharing.. I thought that you could already get in trouble for sharing material, if the MPAA (or whoever it is) saw you doing it. I have read over the years loads of people getting letters from their ISP's.
So all that is changed is that now they have the power to cut you off if you keep doing it ?

The website blocking is worrying but i suppose all you would have to do is sign up to one of these "tunneling" services to get round that.

 

[Macro]

Over 10,000 people have written to their MPs and are ignored. How is that democracy working?

...out of 52 million people in the country and 44 million eligible voters I'd say that was democracy working, like it or not.

Outside the confines of internet forums with more than it's fair share of self confessed "downloaders" and their supporters I suspect the attitude you'll get from the general public is don't know, don't care and "if pirates lose their internet connection for ripping off other peoples work then tough".

Unfortunately although designed to impact on piracy the bill will no doubt have ramifications for others. Interesting to see the response from some here has been to blame everyone other than the persistent pirates who should be putting their hands up and accepting their share of the blame for this atrocious piece of legislation.

 

[Abraham]

Unfortunately although designed to impact on piracy the bill will no doubt have ramifications for others. Interesting to see the response from some here has been to blame everyone other than the persistent pirates who should be putting their hands up and accepting their share of the blame for this atrocious piece of legislation.

If it were that simple, the people voting last night had literally no idea as to who this was intended to be targeting, it was questioned many times and not answered satisfactorily once. They didnt seem to give two hoots about people making profit from piracy, and they seem to openly accept that people in the know will get around it, the only people they mentioned as targeting were accidental downloaders, primarily where children are downloading on a parents net connection.

 

[Adrianr]

I should feel happy the Orphan Works (Something very nearly disregarded in whole with everyone thinking this is just about Internet piracy) clause was dropped and ceases to exist. But it's such a hollow victory in the face of everything else this bill (is it now technically an Act after todays stamping by the Lords?) does. And something I'm sure if enough large companies wanted it will simply pass through with different wording in a new piece of legislation.

Is there anywhere to get a full transcript of yesterdays events in the House of Commons?

 

[WalesOwl]

It already is available at a decent price.

You can buy albums for next to nothing online, along with individual songs

And films at that matter

Well it's not.

I think it's too expensive at the moment. But I am a student.........

 

[oldbag]

So is this officially now the law?

 

[Tefal]

Why does it feel like governments always do stuff against the people, i propose a system of governance where you vote on issues and not just for people or party's, i think it's time for real change.

**** no.


The average person is an idiot and easily led.


Every time the Daily mail published a storey about paedophiles you'd have a law enacted where they're, or anyone vaguely accused of paedophilia is either brutally beaten/killed/raped/or forced to wear a badge all the time.