6 Tickets for a no right turn

[rpg]

That's an absolute joke of a sign.

 

[Rroff]

Theres absolutely no signage at the actual barriers giving a time restriction and the only ones on the approach are hidden except for the very moment you are adjacent to them... theres no way you can't get that appealed with photographic evidence.

 

[reiyushin]

Seems like a bad practical joke, sign is white and out of the way and somebody nets £XX each time a person turns right...

Agree with what's been said, take photographs and appeal.

 

[mejinks]

Why is it restricted anyway? Is it because people use it as a rat run? Perhaps then, the council should use the money to improve the route so drivers don't have to use it.

 

[Lum]

Surely it HAS to have that sign otherwise it isnt valid?

Correct.

That little white sign wont appear in the signing regulations.

I can't be bothered to look them up, go post that image on pepipoo.com or safespeed.org and someone will set you right. In the meantime go and get pictures of the sign before you contact them. They might decide to take you to court and then fix the sign and take their own photographs.

Actually I might just post it on SafeSpeed anyway.
edit: Posted the question on SafeSpeed for you.

Here's a handy image for people who can't be bothered to click the streetview link:

 

[taximike]

Out of interest - what are the fines? I think this is a joke and I'd happily go to court.

 

[BigglesPiP]

I don't think that sign is enforceable. Go seek legal advice, your mate might be able to get off all 6.

 

[Sugar Free]

That signage really is terrible.

This is how you do it properly:

Streetview

With LED no right turn signs that illuminate during the perscribed hours!

 

[r3loaded]

Prohibitory signs are supposed to be circular with a red border and a white background. I don't think the Barking one's legally enforceable (the Aberdeen one is how it's done correctly).

 

[Overlag]

Why is it restricted anyway? Is it because people use it as a rat run? Perhaps then, the council should use the money to improve the route so drivers don't have to use it.

its running parellel to the A13, a busy route into london. Im guessing people cut down there to save time.

 

[snowdog]

its running parellel to the A13, a busy route into london. Im guessing people cut down there to save time.

I absolutely hate this attitude of any council/government ( here or in the UK, in this example or any other situation), if people are using it to save some travel time, then the main road ( A13) should have been upgraded 10 years ago... The amount of lanes should at least be increased by 50% and preferably doubled along the whole stretch ( until ''most'' traffic splits again...).



OnT:

That's so unfair, I'm pretty sure I'd have missed the sign too. It's barely visible and if your attention is to turning right just ahead then you'll easily miss it.

 

[r3loaded]

I absolutely hate this attitude of any council/government ( here or in the UK, in this example or any other situation), if people are using it to save some travel time, then the main road ( A13) should have been upgraded 10 years ago... The amount of lanes should at least be increased by 50% and preferably doubled along the whole stretch ( until ''most'' traffic splits again...).

It's a symptom of many developed countries - they don't want to move ahead with any big infrastructure project, whether it's a new motorway/railway or upgrades. The result is often congestion and inefficiency, or in the extreme case a catastrophic failure like the Twin Bridges in Minneapolis.

They need to stop looking at such projects as costs and instead look at them as investments that'll give the economy a boost by creating jobs in the short-term as well as bringing the long-term benefits of better infrastructure. It's exactly the way that China avoided crashing when its exports to the West slumped.

 

[memphisto]

is it me or looking at that sign you couldn't actually see i or read it until you've turned right anyway ? sort of telling you that you've done wrong after the event ?

that cant be fair ?

 

[OllyM]

I absolutely hate this attitude of any council/government ( here or in the UK, in this example or any other situation), if people are using it to save some travel time, then the main road ( A13) should have been upgraded 10 years ago... The amount of lanes should at least be increased by 50% and preferably doubled along the whole stretch ( until ''most'' traffic splits again...).

Yes, great, what a fantastic idea - we have loads of space to double the size of the A13.

 

[BF-Bert]

whats the big box sign just further up? link

 

[Overlag]

I absolutely hate this attitude of any council/government ( here or in the UK, in this example or any other situation), if people are using it to save some travel time, then the main road ( A13) should have been upgraded 10 years ago... The amount of lanes should at least be increased by 50% and preferably doubled along the whole stretch ( until ''most'' traffic splits again...).



OnT:

That's so unfair, I'm pretty sure I'd have missed the sign too. It's barely visible and if your attention is to turning right just ahead then you'll easily miss it.

it was upgraded 10 years ago. (well about 98?), it was all roundabouts or traffic lights, and a few junctions had single lane fly overs, but now its all 3 lanes (well lane1 goes unused for some reason... typical British driver seems to ignore it...). The main thing i hate about councils/governments is them forcing people to use the main roads when if there's multiple parallel routes surely that's a GOOD thing having multiple routes sharing the load. Its the same around town, loads of cut through or parallel routes have road humps, width restrictions (understandable that one). But surely easing the flow on the main road is a good thing?

whats the big box sign just further up? link

its probably part of the electronic barriers that used to operate, that is most likely a normal no right turn sign, but doesnt work when the barriers are broken/switched off.

 

[snowdog]

Yes, great, what a fantastic idea - we have loads of space to double the size of the A13.

Yes you have:

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/E8DE85CC-EB79-48E3-81C1-B464884C8D78/0/SCENIC_SODO_AWV.jpg

http://iv2ycq.blu.livefilestore.com...gAFNRP2IoWwUj5E-dVcLWvrsZV/i-490_oh_wt_07.jpg

They need to stop looking at such projects as costs and instead look at them as investments that'll give the economy a boost by creating jobs in the short-term as well as bringing the long-term benefits of better infrastructure. It's exactly the way that China avoided crashing when its exports to the West slumped.

Completely agree, these types of projects will easily earn themselves back, it might take a few years but still...

it was upgraded 10 years ago. (well about 98?), it was all roundabouts or traffic lights, and a few junctions had single lane fly overs, but now its all 3 lanes (well lane1 goes unused for some reason... typical British driver seems to ignore it...). The main thing i hate about councils/governments is them forcing people to use the main roads when if there's multiple parallel routes surely that's a GOOD thing having multiple routes sharing the load. Its the same around town, loads of cut through or parallel routes have road humps, width restrictions (understandable that one). But surely easing the flow on the main road is a good thing?

Agreed, but the main road should still be upgraded.

 

[PMKeates]

The A13 has lots of space for widening, until it gets to the bits that need to be widened!

 

[snowdog]

The A13 has lots of space for widening, until it gets to the bits that need to be widened!

So stack it, one direction on top one on the bottom, like in the pictures. Costly, yeah, but absolutely essential.

 

[andi]

whats the big box sign just further up? link

Looks like a no right turn sign that can be turned on and off.

I think any appeal will rest on if that is working or not.