Anybody in London on the 17th?

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 16:40

'HOPE not hate' are organising a leaflet (12 page newspaper) campaign in Barking and Dagenham in an attempt to stop the BNP gaining a seat. They'll need people to help, around 100 have signed up already but they're aiming for 300 so if you're in or near London on the 17th April 2010 and care about equality or have nothing to do then why not join in? Transport will be organised from all of London, Essex and the South East as well as food being provided by the NUT and there will be a musical performance when the leafleting is finished.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/index.php

Event page:
http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/event/detail/aprilnationaldayofaction/wrp

PMKeates · 10 Apr 2010 at 16:41

I'm only 20 minutes from the event location. I think I'll feel bad if I don't go!

rypt · 10 Apr 2010 at 16:42

I want the BNP to get a seat, just to show the main parties how out of touch they are

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 16:45

rypt said:
I want the BNP to get a seat, just to show the main parties how out of touch they are

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/

Don't be stupid, that's no reason to want fascists to have any sort of control over what goes on in the country.

Yas786 · 10 Apr 2010 at 16:51

I live quite close and i will definitely be going along...anything to stop a party that inherently racist from even getting close to having a seat. But i have a feeling the muppets in Dagenham and Barking are beyond help now but still every little helps i guess.

zetec452 · 10 Apr 2010 at 16:58

I completed a "who would you vote for" website thingy where the parties are anonymous to policies displayed on screen. Ended up that 55% of my selection was BPN

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Gackt · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:08

As much as I disagree with the BNP's policies and ethical stance (or lack of one, ha.), if people vote for them, and they get seats, then that's how it has to be.

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:09

Gackt said:
As much as I disagree with the BNP's policies and ethical stance (or lack of one, ha.), if people vote for them, and they get seats, then that's how it has to be.

Which is why you convince people not to vote for them.

Gackt · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:10

Superewza said:
Which is why you convince people not to vote for them.

Heh, my bad, I should have paid more attention. I was thinking this was a campaign to prevent them from being able to get seats because of their political stance.

rypt · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:32

Superewza said:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-real-bnp/

Don't be stupid, that's no reason to want fascists to have any sort of control over what goes on in the country.

I do not support the BNP, but them winning would result in the major parties addressing the issues they have identified instead of just sweeping them under the rug.

Sometimes to do get something done something bad needs to happen first

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:37

rypt said:
I do not support the BNP, but them winning would result in the major parties addressing the issues they have identified instead of just sweeping them under the rug.

Sometimes to do get something done something bad needs to happen first

Your reasoning is... flawed, to say the least.

rypt · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:40

Superewza said:
Your reasoning is... flawed, to say the least.

People support BNP because of their stance on immigration, have Labour shown any interest in tightening up the immigration policy?
No, because they do not see enough people to be making it a big enough issue.
If BNP win then it wills how that it IS a big enough issue, so the major parties will have to tighten their policies

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:46

rypt said:
People support BNP because of their stance on immigration, have Labour shown any interest in tightening up the immigration policy? No, because they do not see enough people to be making it a big enough issue. If BNP win then it wills how that it IS a big enough issue, so the major parties will have to tighten their policies

I don't agree with your first point, but how exactly does this relate in the slightest to the actions of the larger parties? If anything they would loosen the immigration policy just to distance themselves from the BNP, which some would argue is how it got to be how it is, with the Labour/Conservative rivalry.

rypt · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:48

Superewza said:
I don't agree with your first point, but how exactly does this relate in the slightest to the actions of the larger parties? If anything they would loosen the immigration policy just to distance themselves from the BNP, which some would argue is how it got to be how it is, with the Labour/Conservative rivalry.

If they loosen it then more and more people would move towards the fringe parties, if they tighten it then they'll win those people back

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:50

So you're saying that you want the BNP to get a seat... so that people don't vote for them? :confused:

rypt · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:53

Superewza said:
So you're saying that you want the BNP to get a seat... so that people don't vote for them?

I want the BNP to get a seat so that the other parties are forced to move in the direction that represents what the voters want, thus removing a lot of the support the BNP have.

Let's use an analogy, if you have a left wing government and suddenly a right wing party does well. Does that mean that the left wing government should move more to the left to distance themselves from the right wing party?
Or does it mean that the people are now becoming more right wing so the left wing party needs to take a swing for the right?

(Labour got this, hence why they are now NuLabia)

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:56

rypt said:
I want the BNP to get a seat so that the other parties are forced to move in the direction that represents what the voters want, thus removing a lot of the support the BNP have.

Let's use an analogy, if you have a left wing government and suddenly a right wing party does well. Does that mean that the left wing government should move more to the left to distance themselves from the right wing party?
Or does it mean that the people are now becoming more right wing so the left wing party needs to take a swing for the right?

(Labour got this, hence why they are now NuLabia)

Ah, so you're saying that you want the BNP to get a seat so other parties become more like the BNP.

Nah, i'm still not getting how this could possibly be a good idea.

Anyway, anybody else fancy going along? I thought that a lot of you lived in London...

meghatronic · 10 Apr 2010 at 17:58

Superewza said:
Which is why you convince people not to vote for them.

That's a little... authoritarian... don't you think? Almost a fascist attitude.

You can vote for anyone you like! But not these people.

EDIT - Just to clarify, I'm not a supporter of the BNP. But I support their right to peacefully exist. I am disgusted by the activities of some groups to silence them (e.g. UAF).

rypt · 10 Apr 2010 at 18:02

Superewza said:
Ah, so you're saying that you want the BNP to get a seat so other parties become more like the BNP.

Nah, i'm still not getting how this could possibly be a good idea.

They don't need to be more like the BNP, they just need to adequately address the issue that forcing people to vote BNP

PermaBanned · 10 Apr 2010 at 18:07

meghatronic said:
That's a little... authoritarian... don't you think? Almost a fascist attitude.

You can vote for anyone you like! But not these people.

EDIT - Just to clarify, I'm not a supporter of the BNP. But I support their right to peacefully exist. I am disgusted by the activities of some groups to silence them (e.g. UAF).

It's not an attempt to take away the voter's freedom of choice. It's merely an attempt to show them how wrong voting for the BNP would be, and that they are actually hiding beneath a mask, and underneath that mask is the same sort of nazi attitude that started the second world war. What they do with this information is up to them, but the overall aim is to eliminate the need for extremist parties such as this, not to eliminate their right to exist.

Many people who vote BNP do so without proper education about them or their views, or what effects they would have. The campaign aims to provide this education.