Well, that doesn't help, exactly, does it?
If you believe so strongly that religion is a con and a swindle, what action are you taking to educate people?
Or are we just slinging insults and feeling smug?
I haven't taken part in the last few pages, but i do think the level of maturity has dropped to unacceptable levels.
ok
so can naffa, Superewza and izzy eckerslike.
please post the sum list of their evidence that a "creator/god" does not exist - this is not the Christian god.
Then can they post all the evidence that such a being does exist.
Well how about you look at what this god person is supposed to have done, should we. Created the universe? Negatory, the universe was 'created' in the sense that we know and love today by two planes of existence, or multiverses, clashing and ripping open subspace to trigger the 'Big Bang' (which is actually a phrase coined by Christianity, it's more of a ripping in subspace) which forced the universe, which at the time contained everything in an infinitesimally small space governed by a single, perfect, force. Expansion then began and atoms, mainly Hydrogen, were formed to create matter as we know it and starting nuclear fusion, which as you well know is what powers stars. Stars create mavity, which makes the cloud of matter (similarly to a nebula, or 'stellar nursery' today) around it spin. Larger 'chunks' of matter are formed and pull together to form even larger chunks of matter until the cloud of matter is all but gone and a solar system is formed as we know it. But these early solar systems were simplistic and short lived, and so with a stars death it's constituent atoms are spread and eventually go on to rejoin the nebulas that give birth to new stars. Any planets somehow not consumed or turned into dust by the dying star's supernova may spin out of orbit and become rouge, but eventually it all adds up to the same thing. The universe is a beautiful place of birth, death and rebirth and i refuse to believe that we can possibly be alone in it, statistically it's pretty impossible especially since it's likely that there are primitive forms of life elsewhere in our own solar system. So don't you dare try to tell me that 'without religion there is no beauty' or some rubbish like that.
What else is this god supposed to have done? Create life? The origins of life are something not very well known to Science. Does this immediately mean that a book written 2000 years ago when Scientific advancement was so primitive compared to our own is right? Hell no. Life on Earth probably started when being carried on a comet or asteroid it crashed into our humble little planet, which has had just the right conditions for this form of what was probably bacteria to evolve, more or less. Life originally is speculated to have come about from an unimaginably complex chemical reaction to form the simplest of single celled organisms. But yeah, Evolution took hold and a few billion years later and voila, humans. Sentience. Imagination.
As for all of these 'miracles' they are supposed to have done, i fail to believe that none of them weren't perfectly explainable had people then had the knowledge we know now, and that's just taking what's in these 'holy scriptures' and whatever else the religions are supposed to be based on at face value, when really they're hugely edited and missing vital parts of early, or even complete original manuscripts so it's impossible to tell what is far more likely; that these are works of fiction, not fact. Therefore the only basis for what so many people waste their lives devoted to is some unreliable and invalid source that any historian or scientist, or even anybody with a bit of sense, would take as serious evidence.
Was all this done in 6000 years? Please, don't be so ignorant of how time works. Incidentally, 'time' has had no beginning and will have no end. This is impossible to comprehend.
Then you only need look at ourselves. It's easy to see how we've evolved, a path that has led us to compensate for our somewhat lack of physical prowess compared to other species by giving us a huge amount of nerves in your heed. This leads to awareness, being able to take another step back from how say a dog experiences the world and not only feel, but understand that you are feeling. This is Sentience, a point i touched on earlier. As far as i'm aware it requires three things - Intelligence, Awareness of the world around you and the ability to feel or perceive things subjectively. And what does this lead to? Imagination. Being able to use what you do have to say, catch a boar. Or build a villiage. Or plant crops. But it also breeds religion. It has no basis in fact.
Just bear in mind that i didn't introduce myself as a 'Scientist' rather a 'Follower of Science'.
