New Job Offer - Would You Negotiate?

Keltik THC

Keltik THC

Keltik THC

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Just received a job offer for a cracking position with lots of potential. The salary is within the range I was looking for but on the lower side of that range. I don't know if I should speak with my boss (its an internal position) and ask for a wee bit more or if he will think less of me for asking for more.

It's a nice increase from what I currently earn so maybe I'm just pushing my luck?

Would you guys always accept or negotiate a job offer?
 
How much of an increase is it from your current pay? If it's quite a large % already then it might seem quite cheeky to ask for even more. Perhaps asking for a review after 6 months or so in the position would be more appropriate in that situation.
 
As it's an internal position - there's no reason why not. He probably knows your capabilities, and you should have a fair idea what you are worth - and what they can afford.

That being said -
1.) Don't expect them to agree.
2.) Be careful they don't give you extra responsibilities if they do agree.
3.) In the current job environment in the UK - do you think it will change their opinion of you now that you are basically telling them their offer is a joke.
 
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no point in negotiating unless you're prepared to play hard ball (as in, not take the role if they don't).
Otherwise you'll say:

'I really need 3K more'

He'll say

'It's not in the budget / we'll probably send you on training instead / your potential will be enormous for future earnings / you 'could' get a bonus though / its raining outside / I like Coca Cola' so we just can't do it sorry the decision is out of my hands.

You'll go and 'ponder' for a while then accept the lower wage because it's clear to everyone what an opportunity it is. After all, what else are you going to do?
 
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Thanks guys.

It's about a 20% increase as it stands, I think I will ask for another 4-5% I just don't how my boss will react, he is a 'take no prisoners' sort of guy.
 
Similar happened to me at a previous job.

I could tell they were keen to employ me (not an internal move btw), so i said,

"I was hoping to get [insert wage], but let me prove my worth and after [insert timescale] if you're happy with my performance then increae my salary to [insert wage previously mentioned]"

This way you are negotiating a higher wage AND an agreed review date, and are willing to show them you are worth it, without just asking for the extra without reason.

It worked for me. :)
 
Banzai_Joe said:
Similar happened to me at a previous job.

I could tell they were keen to employ me (not an internal move btw), so i said,

"I was hoping to get [insert wage], but let me prove my worth and after [insert timescale] if you're happy with my performance then increae my salary to [insert wage previously mentioned]"

This way you are negotiating a higher wage AND an agreed review date, and are willing to show them you are worth it, without just asking for the extra without reason.

It worked for me. :)
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This.
 
If the job was advertised with a range £x-y, don't be a fool and ask outside this.

If it was a fixed amount £z - ALWAYS negotiate, or at least ask for the scale range.
 
Personally, I only ever negotiate around another existing job offer. It saves the patter and the time-wasting. Granted this isn't always possible, but there's no stronger bargaining chip than being able to say 'This was not an easy decision...but I'm GTFO unless you pay me more'. If they want you, they'll pay you more. If they don't then you should move anyway.

Things are of course not always this simple, but this is the fundamental attitude I take. 'Please Sir, can I have some more?' rarely cuts the mustard.
 
Vanilla said:
If you do go the route of bumping your pay once you've 'proven your worth' GET IT IN YOUR CONTRACT. OR NO MONEY FOR YOU.
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+1

what is the market rate for this job? if you are under that go to him and explain. I find if your honest and your demands are reasonable you'll get them, or an explanation why it isnt possible. having said that internal moves do stunt your salary!
 
Thanks again for your advice chaps, much appreciated.

its just a difficult situation, no actual rate was advertised although i started years and years and years ago as a recruitment consultant (foot in the door) so i knew what to expect.

As i say im happy with what was offered, as it was what i was expecting just on the lower side. Even though its on the lower side of my expectations, but it's still within what i was looking - anything less and i was willing to offer an ultimatum, as in leave and go and get a degree in Computer Forensics (where my heart would probably be if this company wasn't offering me the world) - the problem with going back to uni is the uncertainty of employment, i have been promised and offered excellent things by my current employer.

The situation is that i don't actually have an HND or Degree (i work in an engineering company) which is what really what gets you the money in this industry, this new position is the next step and they have promised to help me get my qualifications as i work for the company (been here for 7 years now working my way up) and that i have a career and great prospects... so more money will be on the cards - so this is why i wonder if asking for more would be cheeky as they have done a lot for me and offered a lot. When i look at my first payslip 7 years ago compared to what ive been offered, its almost doubled... infact if i work overtime which is offered (i currently do 45 hours on an hourly rate and my new salary is based on a 37.5) if i carried on doing 45 hours my salary will have more than doubled compared to 7 years ago.

I guess what im trying to say is that 7 years ago i pretty much walked into a low paid no-hope job as someone who didnt have a clue what they wanted to do... after years of working through the company they have helped me a lot and are offering to give me a well paid career and great prospects whilst offering money i would have jumped at years ago, now i'm just getting greedy i think.

I guess i should just man-up and go balls-deep but i don't want to mess this up!

Sorry for the long post but you can imagine how much im thinking about this, new contract will be on my desk tomorrow!
 
Personally if the payscale is what you was expecting I wouldn't try pushing the luck. If you've been there 7 years another 6 months to a year before saying "well ive now got experience in my current role and this is the going rate" sort of approach to the payrise.

It highly depends on your boss, the financial climate, how well the company is doing and what time of year it is lol. I've walked into an old managers office and demanded a £3000 payrise and got it as I had proof in my right hand of saving the company nearly £50k annually.

I'd say don't push your current circumstances right now but go for it later on according to the market rate (if higher obviously)
 
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