How would this go down in the UK?

[platinum87]

What is stopping me going onto someone's pc using truecrpyt on a bunch of useless files and then anonymously reporting the person for potentially having child pornography or terrorist related material. Couldn't i do this to pretty much anyone i didn't like?

Firstly theres no need to encrypt the files when putting it on someones PC

What is stopping you is the lack of motivation to do such a thing, most people will just have a fight if they hate someone, very few will actually think to do such a thing, and even less will actually plan it and go through with it

 

[Energize]

See this paper as an example: http://www.usenix.org/events/hotsec08/tech/full_papers/czeskis/czeskis_html/ it isn't about breaking the actual deniability, as yes that can be shown mathematically to be provably secure. Information Leakage however is a serious problem, ensuring everything is contained solely within the hidden area isn't an easy task. People make mistakes, and yes encase will pick up such leaked information under certain usage scenarios.

The problems in that specific paper are not an issue when using whole disk encryption though. Considering that all unencrypted devices are write protected, it would be pretty difficult to leak information accidentally.

 

[jas72]

I'd rather he was downloading CP than abusing real children for kicks.

I can see your point there Fox but it's a fine line.

Also as I've said many times on this forum everything isn't as black and white as the daily mail and co would have to believe. Some stuff is more disturbed than others.

 

[FoxEye]

I had to laugh the other day, when I found out that Hentai (drawn, 100% not linked to real CP), now carries the same prison terms as real-life photographed CP.

I mean, if that isn't the stupidest law ever, I don't know what is

 

[Energize]

I had to laugh the other day, when I found out that Hentai (drawn, 100% not linked to real CP), now carries the same prison terms as real-life photographed CP.

I mean, if that isn't the stupidest law ever, I don't know what is

The whole posession of pictures crimes are some of the most badly thought out laws there are. For what is a petty crime on the scale of things, so many rescources are spent on them, with no demonstrable harm and in the case of generated images, no harm at all. The wide prevalence of criminalised images means virtually anyone visiting uncyclopedia could be arrested under one law or another, even perfectly legal acts are becomming illegal to look at these days.

 

[xJcBx]

Erm.... why...

Not the smartest thing to say considering the material this is associated with encrypting.

Because I want to encrypt my private backups I therefore must have Child Porn?

Riiiiigghht....

Not that I have data that I don't want others to see that isn't porn. That's just ridiculous....?

 

[Energize]

Because I want to encrypt my private backups I therefore must have Child Porn?

There's no smoke without fire.

 

[xJcBx]

There's no smoke without fire.

Dammit, they're onto me >. >

 

[Masterdog]

I had to laugh the other day, when I found out that Hentai (drawn, 100% not linked to real CP), now carries the same prison terms as real-life photographed CP.

The thinking behind it though isn't necessarily bad. The whole system works on the idea of a downward spiral, so that looking at drawn CP (and I'm not just talking about going on deviantart now and then, I'm talking about serious collectors) inevitably leads to the next step of looking at real CP, which then leads on to more serious CP, which apparently eventually leads to the desire to abuse children for real.
That's what the psychologists would have you believe, anyway (and why they'd disagree with Fox's earlier comment). I'm not an expert, so I've no reason to doubt them. I do have an issue with the way the law is written though - it doesn't just target the dangerous obsessive, it's way too open.

 

[SlyReaper]

The thinking behind it though isn't necessarily bad. The whole system works on the idea of a downward spiral, so that looking at drawn CP (and I'm not just talking about going on deviantart now and then, I'm talking about serious collectors) inevitably leads to the next step of looking at real CP, which then leads on to more serious CP, which apparently eventually leads to the desire to abuse children for real.
That's what the psychologists would have you believe, anyway (and why they'd disagree with Fox's earlier comment). I'm not an expert, so I've no reason to doubt them. I do have an issue with the way the law is written though - it doesn't just target the dangerous obsessive, it's way too open.

But not all hentai is CP.

 

[Masterdog]

Well then it's not illegal...

 

[Energize]

The thinking behind it though isn't necessarily bad. The whole system works on the idea of a downward spiral, so that looking at drawn CP (and I'm not just talking about going on deviantart now and then, I'm talking about serious collectors) inevitably leads to the next step of looking at real CP, which then leads on to more serious CP, which apparently eventually leads to the desire to abuse children for real.
That's what the psychologists would have you believe, anyway (and why they'd disagree with Fox's earlier comment). I'm not an expert, so I've no reason to doubt them. I do have an issue with the way the law is written though - it doesn't just target the dangerous obsessive, it's way too open.

Real world evidence shows that the opposite is true, when porn was legalised in Japan in 1972 sex crime rates dropped massively, despite all the dodgy hentai in Japan they have one of the lowest sex crime rates.

 

[SlyReaper]

Well then it's not illegal...

From what people were posting, it sounded like they had made all hentai illegal.

 

[Masterdog]

Real world evidence shows that the opposite is true, when porn was legalised in Japan in 1972 sex crime rates dropped massively, despite all the dodgy hentai in Japan they have one of the lowest sex crime rates.

Yup, I agree Always seemed to me it would be a good way of 'letting off steam' without hurting anyone. Seems the people the government listen to think different.

 

[FoxEye]

But not all hentai is CP.

No hentai is CP. There are no (real) children at all. Calling any drawing CP is seriously mother(*&*& retarded.

It's a *(*& drawing. Anyone that thinks it's OK to imprison someone over a collection of drawings should think about the resources taken away from other, real crimes.

 

[Tefal]

Seems the people the government listen to think different.

Not really the government just doesn't listen to it's advisor's and does what will grab the best headline in the daily mail.

Just see the David Nutt incident for example.

 

[electric ant]

What happens if an encrypted drive becomes corrupt, or the hard disk fails. Does it make data recovery harder? And I assume disk cloning doesn't affect encryption?

 

[tntcoder]

What happens if an encrypted drive becomes corrupt, or the hard disk fails. Does it make data recovery harder? And I assume disk cloning doesn't affect encryption?

In theory, if your drive/container was corrupt (enough) it would appear as though you were entering an invalid decryption key. Which could lead to you getting owned. If you cant decrypt it, you cant recover it. But typically with whole disk encryption, corruption would only effect certain data blocks. So the majority would decrypt fine, and any corrupt segments would be impossible to recover without first decrypting.

 

[Energize]

If the volume header is corrupt it becomes impossible to decrypt the data because it contains the salt used in the header key derivation function.

 

[iKettles]

What if he tried to blag that he had forgotten his password?