Poll: New poll on who you will vote for?

[cymatty]

LOL Yup, because everyone who's poor is there by choice, and if not then they don't have to stay there. Tell me, in this Eutopia of yours, when all the silly poor people have taken proper high paying jobs (because there are so many of them going spare) and a decent education, and don't have to be under-privileged any more, who is going to take away your rubbish, clean your faeces-filled drains and cut your hair? You're talking rubbish mate.

Life isn't fair and everyone is not equal.

You can't make them equal by Government policies, that is called communism and look how that panned out.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Life isn't fair and everyone is not equal.

Exactly what, in hindsight, I should have said.

 

[Berserker]

I don't think there's been a post office closure yet that the locals haven't complained about. They're always 'sorry to see it go'.

Of course they are, but that doesn't mean they actually used it when it was there. Same goes for bus routes - bus gets stopped because it was travelling most of the route empty, and then everyone is up in arms because the bus got stopped. :/

Maintaining an unused private service is commercial suicide. Maintaining an unused public service wastes your money.

 

[PermaBanned]

Exactly what, in hindsight, I should have said.

Thankfully you didn't, i would have hated to see crap come out of your mouth. For a variety of reasons...

 

[scorza]

Life isn't fair and everyone is not equal.

You can't make them equal by Government policies, that is called communism and look how that panned out.

What about trying to make people more equal? I'm thinking here of the Scandinavian nations here in particular who seem to have a high level of public services, paid for by a high level of tax but who also have an extremely high standard of living.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Thankfully you didn't, i would have hated to see crap come out of your mouth. For a variety of reasons...

So to clarify then, you think peoples circumstances should be equalised by redistributing wealth from high earners to low earners?

 

[bhavv]

I'm sorry, but even I have to say 'WTF?' to banning the creation of any new roads

This is meant to be to prevent expanding road construction into current green belt areas. Back when I did A-Level geography, we were taught that creating new roads would do very little to help reduce traffic congestion, and rather that other schemes such as promoting public transport use, or schemes where certain number plates of cars can only be used on certain days (odd numbers on one day, even on the next, or something like that) would make a much larger improvement.

Sorry, but I'm an environmentalist nutjob, thats why I vote Green

Their proposed tax rate increases would bring us up to the same level of taxation in countries such as France and other European countries which have a far better standard of living than the UK currently has.

See the graph on this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

Also for people asking how could we afford the changes that the Green party propose, the above link is probably your best answer.

 

[cymatty]

What about trying to make people more equal? I'm thinking here of the Scandinavian nations here in particular who seem to have a high level of public services, paid for by a high level of tax but who also have an extremely high standard of living.

By making it fair for one set of people you are making it unfair for others. You can make the poor richer by making the rich poorer.

 

[Barks]

Jesus I can't believe how many people are voting Lib Dems over one debate.

Yes Clegg put in a good performance and he appears genuine but their economic policies are disastrous.

 

[PermaBanned]

So to clarify then, you think peoples circumstances should be equalised by redistributing wealth from high earners to low earners?

What i think is irrelevant (it's actually that the should be no 'money' but that's for another time). The fact of the matter is that equality is right.

 

[[TW]Fox]

What i think is irrelevant (it's actually that the should be no 'money' but that's for another time). The fact of the matter is that equality is right.

I don't think redistribution of wealth is equality.

Taking money from an airline pilot or a doctor - somebody who has invested many years and a considerable amount of money and hard work in training and education - and giving it to a shop assistant (Who has invested no years of training or education for that role) is not equality at all. It is skewed in favour of the less qualified, less able member of society.

If you want to know why I picked shop assistant - its because until recently, thats what I was for many years, so I picked that so its clear my viewpoint is not from a 'looking down' perspective.

 

[meghatronic]

Their proposed tax rate increases would bring us up to the same level of taxation in countries such as France and other European countries which have a far better standard of living than the UK currently has.

See the graph on this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

Also for people asking how could we afford the changes that the Green party propose, the above link is probably your best answer.

LOL. That's just income tax chief. National Insurance and so on and so on.

 

[ChroniC]

Jesus I can't believe how many people are voting Lib Dems over one debate.

Yes Clegg put in a good performance and he appears genuine but their economic policies are disastrous.

A point that I asked before that never got answered, is what are the validity of policies. Can't you say one thing and do another??

 

[Chris1712]

While I'm impressed with Nick Clegg's performance at the debate, I disagree with their policies, so will still be voting conservative.

+1

 

[PermaBanned]

I don't think redistribution of wealth is equality.

Taking money from an airline pilot or a doctor - somebody who has invested many years and a considerable amount of money and hard work in training and education - and giving it to a shop assistant (Who has invested no years of training or education for that role) is not equality at all. It is skewed in favour of the less qualified, less able member of society.

If you want to know why I picked shop assistant - its because until recently, thats what I was for many years, so I picked that so its clear my viewpoint is not from a 'looking down' perspective.

Which is why you should be doing what you because you want to, not for material gain.

 

[bhavv]

LOL. That's just income tax chief. National Insurance and so on and so on.

The UK still only ranked at No. 22 on the worlds best countries to live in, overtaken by most other European countries, USA and Canada.

Or even No. 25 now:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...-fifth-year-row--Britain-languishes-25th.html

In the other recent one, Norway was No.1 and UK at 22.

 

[Rainmaker]

I don't think redistribution of wealth is equality.

Taking money from an airline pilot or a doctor - somebody who has invested many years and a considerable amount of money and hard work in training and education - and giving it to a shop assistant (Who has invested no years of training or education for that role) is not equality at all. It is skewed in favour of the less qualified, less able member of society.

If you want to know why I picked shop assistant - its because until recently, thats what I was for many years, so I picked that so its clear my viewpoint is not from a 'looking down' perspective.

As Superewza said, the system really does need to change for there to be any real change... if that makes sense. What you say, under the present system, does make sense. But at the same time, is it really right that someone can earn millions simply manipulating electronic/imaginary money on a PC screen while someone who works 14 hours a day nursing the sick, or risking their lives for their community/country, takes home barely minimum wage and struggles to scrape a meagre standard of living?

Of course doctors and the like should be rewarded, but I personally don't see why MPs should be earning up to £100,000 a year for supposedly representing their constituents, or that CEOs should rake in billions in profits, while their constituents/employees (as applicable) are struggling on the bread line.

What I think I'm trying to say, is that our society has its priorities wrong. Perhaps our nurses, firemen, sewer cleaners and all those types of worker without whom our country would be crippled, should be just as comfortably off as someone who is essentially part of the elite, earning money hand over fist doing next to nothing while screwing over those beneath them.

Oh dear. I'm sounding awfully leftist and libertarian these days. Not something that fits well on OcUK.

 

[meghatronic]

Oh dear. I'm sounding awfully leftist and libertarian these days. Not something that fits well on OcUK.

Footballers (wages) is always a good one to throw magnesium on the fire

 

[meghatronic]

The UK still only ranked at No. 22 on the worlds best countries to live in, overtaken by most other European countries, USA and Canada.[/url]

In the other recent one, Norway was No.1 and UK at 22.

I'm not sure how that is relevant to cost of living? We pay **** loads of tax here if you add them all up.

 

[bhavv]

People who work mimimum wage jobs should still be able to afford a good quality of life, regardless of how unskilled you may think the Job is. They are still working and providing a service which 'job status elitists' take entirely for granted.

I'm not sure how that is relevant to cost of living? We pay **** loads of tax here if you add them all up.

I know that we pay lots of tax in the UK, but then how come we are so much worse off than even the USA? What is happening with that money? I would like the UK to be up to the standard of places like France, Scandinavia and Canada, I only really see the Green policies capable of somehow managing that, even if they seem far fetched and impossible.