Poll: New poll on who you will vote for?

Who?

  • Labour

    Votes: 76 10.0%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 286 37.6%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 324 42.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 75 9.9%
  • Total voters
    761
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No1newts said:
I cannot beleive people are so swayed by a few sweet words from a muppet representing a party who were not even taken seriously by the majority until a TV debate last week.

Is this nation really so stupid that a silver tounge can win an election? If so we may as well all give up hope of any real change in our political spectrum as we will just be represented by vapid idiots with a quick smile and a good catchphrase for the camera.

We take on all American ideas and take them to a stupid extreme, I would imagine that Americans will be slightly swung by a TV debate, those who really cannot make up thier mind. Yet the amount of swing shown by a single TV debate in this country is shocking, I really despair.
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The debate just made people realise that the LibDems are actually a party that you can vote for. It isn't a two horse race. And since the Conservatives are so... evil, labour need a term off to show them they aren't untouchable and hopefully reform the party back to the good ol' days and the Lib's have policies that a lot of people can agree with it's a simple matter of elimination really. In elections nowadays you're just looking for the best of a bad bunch, since the good people don't really get a chance.
 
No1newts said:
I cannot beleive people are so swayed by a few sweet words from a muppet representing a party who were not even taken seriously by the majority until a TV debate last week.
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Another uninformed opinion. The lib dems have solid policies (the Liberal party is older than Labour ffs).

Anyone with any sense knows that three-way debate was a load of crap. In my experience, the lib dem support is just those who would have been supporting the lib dems (or greens, in my case) the whole time if the FPTP system wasn't so hard to crack.
 
Jokester said:
Obama's approval rating has sunk significantly and there is serious concerns of another Timothy McVeigh type figure coming to the fore. Militia groups are also growing very vocal.
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Is that actually true? :confused: I knew that Obama has become much more unpopular as the people that 'voted for change' obviously didn't expect it. :rolleyes:
But another McVeigh...? I didn't know people were that seriously opposed to reform.
 
robgmun said:
That Labour have been giving your taxes to work shy scum, and have been raping you since 2001
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Labour aren't the only alternative, and better them than the Conservatives... does nobody remember what happened last time they were in? Seriously? Non of these fickle Iraq war protests, serious all out rioting. By miners, pretty much everybody else in the manufacturing and transport industry at first but then everybody else. Literally. Still, it was laughable to see them try to enforce their poll tax when the whole country's against them. :D
 
Superewza said:
Labour aren't the only alternative, and better them than the Conservatives... does nobody remember what happened last time they were in? Seriously? Non of these fickle Iraq war protests, serious all out rioting. By miners, pretty much everybody else in the manufacturing and transport industry at first but then everybody else. Literally. Still, it was laughable to see them try to enforce their poll tax when the whole country's against them. :D
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Who says the conservatives are still the same party? Labour certainly aren't the same party that they were last time they were in office. Selling all our gold off at record lows despite advice to the contrary, taking us into an illegal war, creating a state-dependent underclass, putting an "end to boom and bust"... yeah, better Labour than the tori...oh, hang on!

Labour also inherited an economy in a decent state when they got in. There seems to be a constant cycle of Labour messing the economy up and the Tories fixing it...
 
Superewza said:
Labour aren't the only alternative, and better them than the Conservatives...
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We're just going to have to disagree quite strongly there

does nobody remember what happened last time they were in? Seriously? Non of these fickle Iraq war protests, serious all out rioting. By miners, pretty much everybody else in the manufacturing and transport industry at first but then everybody else. Literally. Still, it was laughable to see them try to enforce their poll tax when the whole country's against them. :D
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Well at least under the Tories we were free to protest and riot. We live in an oppressive police state now
 
robgmun said:
Well at least under the Tories we were free to protest and riot. We live in an oppressive police state now
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You can protest and throw your toys out of the pram if you're in a union without fear of reprisal, as they're effectively bankrolling the government... :rolleyes: Throwback to the 70s methinks.
 
PianoBasher said:
Labour also inherited an economy in a decent state when they got in. There seems to be a constant cycle of Labour messing the economy up and the Tories fixing it...
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I wish people would stop repeating this myth. We're in the middle of a global economic crisis caused by lack of government intervention in the free markets. So naturally this is somehow the British government's fault :confused:

I'd also like to know exactly how Labour can be blamed for the last global recession in the early 90s, when they hadn't been in power for over a decade.

Also, even the IMF bailout in the '70s, which everyone blames on Harold Wilson and the Labour government of the time, had its roots in the previous Conservative government's Barber Boom.
 
scorza said:
I wish people would stop repeating this myth. We're in the middle of a global economic crisis caused by lack of government intervention in the free markets. So naturally this is somehow the British government's fault :confused:
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Even though it's a global phenomenon, we were still one of the worst placed to weather it because Gordon & pals had decided not to put money away for a rainy day while the cash was rolling in to the coffers. :(
 
naffa said:
Is that actually true? :confused: I knew that Obama has become much more unpopular as the people that 'voted for change' obviously didn't expect it. :rolleyes:
But another McVeigh...? I didn't know people were that seriously opposed to reform.
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There's been a lot of "Tea Parties" being held all over the US recently, basically anti-government rallies with reference to the Boston Tea Party that kicked off the War of Independence. People are very angry with the prospect of increased taxes to pay the debt, bank bailout and the health reforms. The talk is the same as the UK, it's always about cutting the deficit, not the debt. The often repeated stat is that 47% of the adult population pay absolutely no federal taxes what do ever.

There was even an anti-government (Obama) rally in Washington where gun owners armed with anything from pistols upto assault rifles protested against gun control, the irony being that they could only legally do that due to laws passed by Obama.

The Establishment is very worried as more threats are being made against the lives of Senators than ever before and anti government sentiment is seeing a large upswell in support.

Bill Clinton was interviewed and he was very concerned with the political climate at the moment and was drawing parallels with 1995 and saw no reason why similar events might happen again.
 
Interesting point though. There is plenty of evidence that we were hit worse because of labours decisions, however can anyone remeber 5 years ago and the conservatives policies then? If they were in place would the crisis have hit britain harder or do people think we would have been better off?
 
Jokester said:
There's been a lot of "Tea Parties" being held all over the US recently, basically anti-government rallies with reference to the Boston Tea Party that kicked off the War of Independence. People are very angry with the prospect of increased taxes to pay the debt, bank bailout and the health reforms.
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The Tea Party are hardly US mainstream; they're basically fringe nutters with a lot more coverage than they deserve. Fact is, the vast majority of the US population supports almost everything that Obamacare achieves but, bizarrely, almost half opposed the bill itself (mostly because of nutty but well funded presure groups). Like everywhere else that has managed to progress as far as universal healthcare by the time the next election comes around no-one will dare roll it back.
 
Mr Jack said:
The Tea Party are hardly US mainstream; they're basically fringe nutters with a lot more coverage than they deserve. Fact is, the vast majority of the US population supports almost everything that Obamacare achieves but, bizarrely, almost half opposed the bill itself (mostly because of nutty but well funded presure groups). Like everywhere else that has managed to progress as far as universal healthcare by the time the next election comes around no-one will dare roll it back.
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Recent polls show they have support from 20% of the population and is increasing.
 
scorza said:
I wish people would stop repeating this myth. We're in the middle of a global economic crisis caused by lack of government intervention in the free markets. So naturally this is somehow the British government's fault :confused:
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Even without the downturn, Labour were running a huge budget deficit. Given the incredible duration of the last boom, our national finances should have been in glowing shape in 2008 - they weren't, they were in shoddy shape.
 
Mr Jack said:
Even without the downturn, Labour were running a huge budget deficit. Given the incredible duration of the last boom, our national finances should have been in glowing shape in 2008 - they weren't, they were in shoddy shape.
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Indeed, even without the recession and bank bailout, Labour had made a complete mess of the state finances.
 
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