Where does the spying end?

The problem with all these type of things is they become petty & catch normally responsive drivers who might have a momentary short burst of speed over the limit, it's easily done unless you drive with your eyes glued to the dashboard so you get 'you were recorded doing 33mph in a 30 restricted area, please pay £80 within 7 days
 
tron said:
That is just the tip of the ice berg wait until its a crime to pass wind in the street having detectors that detect it then id the culprit and say its a crime to the environment and be fined for it.Say three strikes and your forced to wear a plunger mandatory.
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want to buy some oxygen credits?
 
Just what we need, more enforcement of regulations that do absolutely bugger all for road safety.
 
I can only imagine these would work wonders in 20mph zones, roads area already very congested and almost impossible to break speed limits on average from point A to B.
 
KNiVES said:
Black boxes in cars are too unrealistic. There comes a point where even all the most Orwellian politicians will grimace at the thought of installing such draconian measures and biting themselves on the arse over it. No-one will try to push such legislation through the commons and say 'well I won't mind it myself' with a straight face - let alone face the backlash from it.
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People probably said that before the holocaust too.
 
Wait, so having our cars speed monitored is classed as 'throwing my rights down the toilet'?

I have to disagree with that. Driving is a privilege, not a right, just as it can be taken away should you do something stupid, and should be. Perhaps if this was on my own land I'd have an issue, but in public it's another story.
 
alexhull24 said:
Wait, so having our cars speed monitored is classed as 'throwing my rights down the toilet'?/QUOTE]

You appear to be assuming that strictly monitoring speed has any road safety benefit...

Most people have no problem with most laws that are actually based on evidence of reduction in harm. The problem with speed limit laws (at least the way they are used in the UK) is that there is no direct association between speed limits and safety.
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No, I'm not assuming that at all. What I'm saying is, I don't feel that my speed being monitored is an infraction of my rights. I drive around past speed cameras, police cars etc who are often looking at what speed I'm doing. Since I know I don't drive in excess of the limit, it makes no difference to me. Whether it actually works as a solution to increasing road safety is, of course, under debate.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Not at all.
So cameras in your home would be fine if they said it was detect all crimes in your Homes.
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Bit of a strawman isn't it?


Monitoring people in public places is considerably different to monitoring in private.
It is not good or necessary to remove freedoms for the sake of catching criminals.
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What freedom does a cctv camera in a public place remove?



Not that I'm in support of this, it's costly and pointless.
 
alexhull24 said:
No, I'm not assuming that at all. What I'm saying is, I don't feel that my speed being monitored is an infraction of my rights. I drive around past speed cameras, police cars etc who are often looking at what speed I'm doing. Since I know I don't drive in excess of the limit, it makes no difference to me. Whether it actually works as a solution to increasing road safety is, of course, under debate.
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Whether it works as a solution to increasing road safety is fundamental to whether the surveillance and law is just...
 
This is really the wrong approach to the situation. Dangerous drivers don't escape the net, just the penalty for being caught in the net isn't enough of a deterrent to stop people doing it. There's a massive amount of re-offending dangerous drivers on the roads because being banned isn't as much of a big deal as it should be.

Can't help but feel the reason the government edges towards 'finding' speeders more than sorting them or stopping them is weighted towards the amount of revenue it generates for them. I remember watching a police show recently where one of the PCs said he rakes in thousands of pounds worth of speeding tickets in a day if he's put on duty.
 
Black boxes to check for speeding is not needed. They are already looking at making gps linked speedometers compulsory in all new cars at some point in the future.

This will mean that when in a 30 mph zone, your car will be speed limited to 30 mph, 70 mph limited on a motoway etc.

No more speeding tickets or cameras needed eventually as all cars will be unable to break the speed limit.

So which footballer will buy a new 200mph lamboghini mercialego which he can only drive at 70 in the uk?

Link here:

http://www.rospa.com/RoadSafety/Policy/CarsInTheFuture/intelligent-speed-adaptation.aspx

Trials are being carried out all over Europe and they say that ALL cars in Europe will be fitted with this system by 2035 so enjoy speeding (if that's your thing) while you can as you have 25 years left.
 
Greebo said:
Black boxes to check for speeding is not needed. They are already looking at making gps linked speedometers compulsory in all new cars at some point in the future.

This will mean that when in a 30 mph zone, your car will be speed limited to 30 mph, 70 mph limited on a motoway etc.

No more speeding tickets or cameras needed eventually as all cars will be unable to break the speed limit.

So which footballer will buy a new 200mph lamboghini mercialego which he can only drive at 70 in the uk?

Link here:

http://www.rospa.com/RoadSafety/Policy/CarsInTheFuture/intelligent-speed-adaptation.aspx

Trials are being carried out all over Europe and they say that ALL cars in Europe will be fitted with this system by 2035 so enjoy speeding (if that's your thing) while you can as you have 25 years left.
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How wonderfully fascist and irresponsibly ignorant of the causes of accidents at the same time...

As for why by the fast cars, acceleration, cornering and braking?
 
Musty Pie said:
I can see why some would find this intrusive, but surely if your a driver you should be sticking to the limits anyway?

Breaking the law is still breaking the law right?
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Its more dangerous watching your speedo than the car infront.

but yes exsessive speeding can be dangerous
 
Dolph said:
Whether it works as a solution to increasing road safety is fundamental to whether the surveillance and law is just...
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Indeed. If the system shows no improvement in road safety, it may have not been a great idea. In the interest of finding out whether it helps or not, I don't feel that it's a problem. There may be research to show that excess speed is not the major factor in most collisions, but it's a factor non the less. If the system is implemented as part road safety improvements, along with measures tackling other factors, it can't be all bad. I can't see how it could make things any worse than they are.
 
alexhull24 said:
Indeed. If the system shows no improvement in road safety, it may have not been a great idea. In the interest of finding out whether it helps or not, I don't feel that it's a problem. There may be research to show that excess speed is not the major factor in most collisions, but it's a factor non the less. If the system is implemented as part road safety improvements, along with measures tackling other factors, it can't be all bad. I can't see how it could make things any worse than they are.
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It is already well established that the focus on speeding over other risk factors isn't helping road safety, because speeding only causes 3% of accidents by the government's own figures.

Deal with the 97% of issues that cause accidents, and you''ll do much more to improve road safety.

There is no need to implement this system because the research has already been done to show that it will make no difference at best, or make things worse.
 
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