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Crikey that was a good comment - better than the article.
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how ridiculous, please get over 'the empire', the second world war, the cold war etc. Britain is no longer a super power, we can no longer afford to think we are. You really think Iran and N. Korea give 4x about us, look at the other potential targets. Ok I'll help, Israel, America and S. Korea. How can you really think that trident would deter a dirty bomb, bonkers.
We have never been able to justify or afford the nuclear deterent which deters no one.
Glad you cleared that up, at least we can all now sleep securely in our beds - clearly the Lib-Dems should NOT review defence spending, we couldn't possibly do it any better than we are.
Oooopppss - There is a strong case for not renewing Trident
I did not say that there wasn't a case for not having a deterent at all, what I said, if you pay attention is that Trident is the cheapest and most practical of the available alternatives to keeping our deterent in some form. Now Mr Clegg when called on the Libdems nuclear policy stated that they did not want to shed the deterent entirely, but wanted to find a cheaper solution. Well there isn't one currently, so either Mr Clegg has not researched this in depth or he is lying about replacing trident with anything and simply decommissioning our nuclear capability.
nice reasoning there, well thought out, blimey we're screwed, people like you are so deluded with your place in the world.
You really think that if some nutter has nuclear missiles they won't fire them because we have them. Anyone who fires nuclear weapons would be completely beyond reason anyway.
The only incident I can think of when there was a stand off was, I think, the bay of pigs, it was Cuba anyway. Nuclear weapons were a lot less powerful then. Even so I don't believe we were involved at all and the yanks were mad anti commies with the socialist revolution in the USSR in full swing.
Britain is a tiny little loud mouth on the world stage.
Of course we could have told Sadam to leave or we would nuke him, oh I suppose we didn't think of that.
Oh yes and the Argies, why didn't we just threaten to nuke them, they would have buggered of then
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In what way "better""
Because it suggested that Iran or North Korea might supply fissile material to terrorists who might then make and detonate a "Dirty Bomb" on the streets of London
Against whom do you suggest we should then launch Trident Missiles? Iran AND North Korea - just in case? How about Russia and all of the ex-USSR states on the basis that they might have supplied or "mislaid" the fissile material? I guess that we should also nuke Israel on the basis that it might be a ploy to get us to nuke Iran.
Incidentally, I remain to be convinced that Nick Clegg has ever advocated Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament. So far as I am aware, he has suggested that Trident should be included in the Strategic Defence Review to see if we can find a cheaper, more relevant alternative to something that may have been appropriate 20 years ago.
Stupid, stupid post by popskihaynes
how ridiculous, please get over 'the empire', the second world war, the cold war etc. Britain is no longer a super power, we can no longer afford to think we are. You really think Iran and N. Korea give 4x about us, look at the other potential targets. Ok I'll help, Israel, America and S. Korea. How can you really think that trident would deter a dirty bomb, bonkers.
We have never been able to justify or afford the nuclear deterent which deters no one.
ok, just did a word search of the article AND the comment i was refering to, one hit on "cold war" in context of 'it is entirely wrong to label Trident a Cold War weapon'
so why you're going off on one about that, i have no idea.
as has been mentioned numerous times, the replacement will take upto 14 years, no one can predict who will want to fight who in 2024, so claiming that Iran and N. korea dont care is short sighted, and ignoring the fact that those other countries they may want to attack may request our assistance.
the reason i can "really think" that having a nuclear deterent may prevent a 'dirty bomb' attack is that countries that habour or even supply the terrorists responsible may think twice about doing so, knowing there is the possibility of a nuclear retaliation.
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Where did this Little Britain thing come from?
I know people from around the world, all of them are proud of their country and patriotic. Almost every Brit I know isn't. For shame.
I know people from around the world, all of them are proud of their country and patriotic. Almost every Brit I know isn't. For shame.
well if you wish to remain completely blinkered with a closed mind don't blame me when you come a cropper later in life
Ok I will explain, the development of trident and reasoning behind it's replacement is born out of a deluded culture that thinks we are still a super power, as in the cold war when we tried to keep up with the Americans and the Russians by building the v bombers and the TSR2 which ultimately we found we could not afford. Britain was a super power before the first world war, but by the end of the second world war we had grown totally dependent upon america and owed them for all the munitions we had to purchase from them.
Incidentally I believe we also had our own space program called blue streak which was going well until given the chop. I'm not sure of the exact dates and I am sure someone will correct me, but I believe this at least contributed to the labour party having to call in the IMF and devalue the pound
sound familiar
well if you wish to remain completely blinkered with a closed mind don't blame me when you come a cropper later in life
go on then, how am i close minded?
despite the fact you know nothing about me.
I Simply have a differing opinion to you, and you've decided to make this claim
Britain has a lot to be proud of, but we have to do the hard work and earn our place in the world not just demand our seat at the head of the table because of our heritage.
well that proves my point, you have failed to come up with a persuasive arguement either way but just insist you are correct. A bit like our beloved politicians.
no, i asked you a question.
this is ot, sorry I mentioned it.
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So how does scrapping of nuclear weapons and bending over to the EU help this end?
we are still a major world power despite the best efforts of various labour governments to compromise that... economically we still punch above our weight, same with military strength. it is tragic that cleggs party seem determined to continue to try and drag the country downwards... we have had enough of that from Blair and Brown already...
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1955 Suez Crisis, we nearly started a War with the USSR after invading the canal where they made the threat of launching Missiles at Britain, France and Israel.
And on another note, we are in the G8, we are a Security Council Nation. We may not be a World Power, but we still have a big voice on the international scene.
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