I'd say it was fairly impressive - only saw him proper back off once the entire way around, even on the banked corner he was in "attack" mode, you couldn't manage that in a lesser car. Not as impressive as the radical but thats in a class of its own.
FERRARI 599XX POSTS 6MIN 58.16SEC 'RING TIME
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Think you should be held personally responsible for the entire thing. Including a poor soundtrack and crap film quality. And the slicks.
That bit doesn't make much sense.
As far as bad PR, well no, it never is, but I've yet to see a thread where the time has been met with a positive response. Even the 3 big Ferrari forum threads are muted about it.
The time is great but maybe it's the way it's been announced, like sub 7 has finally been cracked, when really it already has been. The "production derivative" is another name for an unrestricted track missile.
I'm missing the point obviously, but it just strikes me as a bit odd. They have avoided the 'ring for years but when they do make an official run, it's not in one of their road cars...a few weeks after announcing the GT0?
I'd love to hear what people think about the tyres...how many seconds are slicks vs. normal road tyres (not cups) worth around there? I've seen the same estimate mentioned a few times in the past, anyone got an approx figure?
what has weight got to do with anything? if its not road legal its the same if it weighs 500 kilos or 1500
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Think the Ultima did 1:09 on slicks and 1:12 on road legals round the top gear track. It'd probably push the 599XX into 7:20 or so over the distance round the ring.
The way it appears Ferrari is ignoring the fact that the Radical is a production car that they have failed to beat is a decent reason to do a bit of eye rolling at Ferraris claim of fastest production based car round the track.
Thats basically what I'm getting at, this is not a bad day in the office for Ferrari PR, as you say, it never is, but you are quite right it is a very strange thing for them to have done.
As far as I'm aware all the 599XX cars have been sold (well, invited to be purchased) so the headlines mean nothing towards selling this car.
So is it to gain interest in the regular 599 cars & forthcoming GTO? If so, from what your saying, this hasn't worked either due to the responce from the Ferrari forums.
Or is it as I alluded to, purely for those who absolutely love Ferrari & see them as doing no wrong & believe everything they say - The Tifosi as it were.
Either way... 'Why have you done this Ferrari!?!'
(But thank you for doing it, sub seven minutes on tape - splendid)
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Awesome yes, but in the scheme of things not the best by any stretch of the imagination.
Think you should be held personally responsible for the entire thing. Including a poor soundtrack and crap film quality. And the slicks.
I'm taking castleing for it, which is like counselling just posher and with land.
Exactly.
Yes, the 599XX is silly money and yes it is a track-only version of the 599, but it simply isn't the same kind of car as a Radical which despite its "road legal" tyres is a racing car pure and simple.
My supercharged SR3 was simply incredible handling wise and with around 520BHP per tonne had pretty amazing acceleration too. But it was a flimsy lightweight open car that's about as raw as you can get. The 599XX has a glorious 6 litre V12 engine and awesome handling for such a big car. No I wouldn't buy one but for Ferrari to have achieved such a rapid lap time in a car of this mass is an amazing achievement.
I'd put money on the fact that given a choice virtually everyone here would prefer to own the Ferrari rather than a Radical, providing it was bought for them
Exactly.
Yes, the 599XX is silly money and yes it is a track-only version of the 599, but it simply isn't the same kind of car as a Radical which despite its "road legal" tyres is a racing car pure and simple.
My supercharged SR3 was simply incredible handling wise and with around 520BHP per tonne had pretty amazing acceleration too. But it was a flimsy lightweight open car that's about as raw as you can get. The 599XX has a glorious 6 litre V12 engine and awesome handling for such a big car. No I wouldn't buy one but for Ferrari to have achieved such a rapid lap time in a car of this mass is an amazing achievement.
I'd put money on the fact that given a choice virtually everyone here would prefer to own the Ferrari rather than a Radical, providing it was bought for them
Buy me one and fine out
Exactly.
Yes, the 599XX is silly money and yes it is a track-only version of the 599, but it simply isn't the same kind of car as a Radical which despite its "road legal" tyres is a racing car pure and simple.
My supercharged SR3 was simply incredible handling wise and with around 520BHP per tonne had pretty amazing acceleration too. But it was a flimsy lightweight open car that's about as raw as you can get. The 599XX has a glorious 6 litre V12 engine and awesome handling for such a big car. No I wouldn't buy one but for Ferrari to have achieved such a rapid lap time in a car of this mass is an amazing achievement.
I'd put money on the fact that given a choice virtually everyone here would prefer to own the Ferrari rather than a Radical, providing it was bought for them
that entirely depends upon which ferrari you were offered
Given the choice between the 599XX and the radical ... id take the radical. You dont actually own the 599XX, you rent one, And get permission from ferrari to race it at track days that ferrari organize. You cant take it on the road as its not road legal, and you cant take it home, tinker with it and drive it to track days of your choice at thruxton or whatever.
The radical is road legal, can be driven to the track, and back again. Much more rewarding to own than the 599XX imo.
Now if the choice was between say a 430 scuderia and a Radical ... thats different, as the scuderia is road legal and you actually own the thing, so you can drive it where you want.
I know of someone who has one of these coming, he has a 430 Scud already too and a couple of Lambo's including a Murci SV and Gallardo. With the greatest of respect the car isint aimed at people like us on this site, it's aimed at people who want the very best in engineering while maintaining the brand and exclusiveness a Radical will never really get to. I could go and buy a Radical tomorrow, I could not get close to buying a 599xx. If these people wanted to be the quickest they would buy an F1 car and be done, for it would be less than the 599xx. The car is aimed at a very small sector of our society who don't even consider a Radical as anything more than a plaything for the poor....in relative terms. You may aspire to the Radical over the 599xx and each to their own, but I am pretty positive if both were offered no one would ACTUALLY take the Radical.....and if they did they would be taken away in men in white coats.
It's a big lump of a car and it does a sub 7 lap of the Ring which IS impressive, unless your sole metric is "but it isn't the quickest a shed built box is quicker" for shed built boxes are ALWAYS quicker, they are built to do just that with no play to image, brand or alignment.
To compare it to a Radical is to miss the point..................by miles.
It's a big lump of a car and it does a sub 7 lap of the Ring which IS impressive, unless your sole metric is "but it isn't the quickest a shed built box is quicker" for shed built boxes are ALWAYS quicker, they are built to do just that with no play to image, brand or alignment.
To compare it to a Radical is to miss the point..................by miles.
thats what i dont understand
The customers of the 599XX will be racing at the same ferrari organized track days such as the world series that the F1 owners go to.
If they'gve got that much cash, why not just by the F1 car. I'd rather own an ex michael schumacher 2004 F1 car than a 599XX. You'll get the same level of treatment and acecss to ferrari mechanics and hospitality etc.. with the F1 car.
For this reason, the 599XX seems pointless to me. It offers nothing over what owning an ferrari F1 car would give. But yet it doesnt offer the flexibility to use it like you would your scuderia.
The customers of the 599XX will be racing at the same ferrari organized track days such as the world series that the F1 owners go to.
If they'gve got that much cash, why not just by the F1 car. I'd rather own an ex michael schumacher 2004 F1 car than a 599XX. You'll get the same level of treatment and acecss to ferrari mechanics and hospitality etc.. with the F1 car.
For this reason, the 599XX seems pointless to me. It offers nothing over what owning an ferrari F1 car would give. But yet it doesnt offer the flexibility to use it like you would your scuderia.
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I can't quite believe this, sorry.I'd rather own the Radical. As has been posted, it looks a lot more fun to drive and you can also drive it home afterwards.
Also a standard road legal Radical has a much higher ride height than the 'ring car. You'd destroy the splitter within minutes on the road.
The SR8 that holds the 'Ring record was driven from Peterborough, with journos in tow, on to a ferry and then to Germany. No ride height adjustment made, just a sighter lap and then the record lap, then driven back to Peterborough.
Personally, I'm not comparing them...two different beasts but Ferrari's record claim seems spurious when something has done it quicker previously.
In isolation, it's impressive but like I said, I would not expect anything less. A 997 RSR is 5 seconds slower despite being far more restricted and a 100bhp less in the power to weight ratio stakes and given that the number always thrown about for the slicks advantage is about 20 seconds the Viper ACR, ZR1, GT2 and GT-R are not *that* far behind (and these are the full fat versions unlike the utterly bare and rollcage stiffened 599x) all things considered.
It's ******* quick, absolutely. But it should be. And of course, I'd have the 599xx every single time.
If I was going tearing around the 'ring, I'd want the quickest, most-fun car there - which the Ferrari is not, my best choice out of everything would probably not even be the Radical, but out of the two, that is what I'd choose.
And I thought that they had driven the Radical to/from their base to the 'ring and back. Might be wrong, but I'm not that fussed to be bothered to go and look it up.
*shrugs*
Still I just bought a RenaultSport 250 Cup, what do I know about cars.