Gordon Brown's 'bigoted woman' jibe

[Cosimo]

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Labour are a public relations disaster, brown should have said on the radio interview when he was ambushed with this (gutter journalism at it's worst - yay for the license fee) that he didn't want to offend the lady and bringing this into the public sphere was scandaloud behaviour.

He should have then gone on to say he stood by his words and yes, she holds bigotted views, she's welcome to them and I wouldn't publically put her down for them, a shame the BBC doesn't hold the same standards of public decency..

What makes you think she holds bigoted biews?

 

[ethan]

Hmm reminds me of when John Major was caught in an off-the-cuff comment in the presence of microphones he thought were switched off, referring to unnamed Eurosceptics in his Cabinet as "********" lol

 

[ethan]

What makes you think she holds bigoted biews?

Strongly opinionated to be fair to her: bigoted, unknown

 

[Dolph]

What makes you think she holds bigoted biews?

I don't think that's what Telescopi is saying, just that it would have been far more convincing and realistic if Brown had done that. hell, I'd have had some respect for him if he'd done that (although I'd have queried why he didn't do it first off if that was the case).

There are only a few options here.

• Brown thought her views were bigoted, so the apology was a lie.
• Brown didn't think her views were bigoted, so his outburst was irrational which isn't particularly a good charactistic for a leader.

Massive own goal here I feel.

 

[Dave M]

What makes you think she holds bigoted biews?

Quotes of the words she spoke. What do you think? Anyway, brown clearly thought so and he's shown himself to be weak in the public eye by backing down like this.

 

[ethan]

Brown thought her views were bigoted, so the apology was a lie.

I thought the former though it would be interesting for her locals to provide some information regarding this respect?

 

[Naffa]

I agree, such an action is disproportionate when simply introducing socialists to the law of unintended consequences, and highlighting numerous examples of well meaning state intervention that has had serious negative unintended consequences, should suffice if they are rational and logical people who are simply misguided.

Wow, do you really think that free markets and socialism are mutually exclusive? Because they aren't... Capitalism plays against the concept of a free market with it's tenancy to monopolise, as well.

The only two kinds of people that believe that socialism is obsolete are either idiots, or naive. Capitalism is far, far from pushing itself beyond the reach of the socialist critique. If you wish to show that socialism is obsolete, then that's the task that must be undertaken, and I don't think it can be.

EDIT: I really don't want to get into a debate about this, I just find it difficult to let such things go... Ten points to the first person to ignore this post and continue with the thread topic.

 

[Merlin5]

New tories poster. That was quick.

 

[Dolph]

Wow, do you really think that free markets and socialism are mutually exclusive? Because they aren't... Capitalism plays against the concept of a free market with it's tenancy to monopolise, as well.

I'm assuming you mean that some form of socialist policy can fit in with a free market economy, which is of course true (and indeed some would regard my favoured taxation system as socialist, due to the guaranteed income aspect), as opposed to a more classical definition of socialism where the state owns all the businesses.

The problem with most socialist policies is that although they are well meaning, they cause other problems. The NHS, for example, is a wonderful idea, but the structural inefficiency inherent in it makes it poor value, as well as creating a situation where better than mediocre healthcare is horrendously expensive. Likewise the welfare state, while fundamentally a good idea, is poorly excecuted and succeeds mainly in trapping people within it (although there is a school of thought that says this is intentional as a means of capturing votes).

The only two kinds of people that believe that socialism is obsolete are either idiots, or naive. Capitalism is far, far from pushing itself beyond the reach of the socialist critique. If you wish to show that socialism is obsolete, then that's the task that must be undertaken, and I don't think it can be.

True socialism is obsolete, it doesn't work. If you want to redefine socialism to mean something else, along the lines of a larger state support network, then it isn't, but the current approaches being taken are wrong, and moving more towards classical socialism won't fix that. State controlled, force funded industry and services are destined to fail, because they are structurally geared towards poor performance and inefficent spending. What's worse is that the longer the problems go without being addressed, the more damage correcting the mistakes causes (see mining in the UK for an example).

Edit: Gah, only saw your edit after I'd replied, I have the same problem.

 

[Hades]

New tories poster. That was quick.

I went looking for that and found this... Fire Up The Quattro... superb!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...peful-Cameron-Quattro-poster-got-pasting.html

 

[SlugForAButt]

EDIT: I really don't want to get into a debate about this, I just find it difficult to let such things go... Ten points to the first person to ignore this post and continue with the thread topic.

Making an inflammatory post and then telling people not to respond is a little condescending don't you think?
Actually sounds a little Nu Labour...

 

[Naffa]

Making an inflammatory post and then telling people not to respond is a little condescending don't you think?
Actually sounds a little Nu Labour...

I didn't tell anybody not to reply, that would have been condescending. However, I didn't want to start a debate within a thread, that's not related to the thread topic (again) and I couldn't really think of another way of doing so... If that's deemed to be condescending, then so be it.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

It is repeating again on Sky News.

What I cannot understand is why he has this broad grin on his face when he says "I am mortified" (after leaving her house)... I mean, that is just not the sign of a sane man.

 

[Viper²]

actually, I think it is all over for labour now and G.B. knows it.

Still heading for a hung-parliament though. The Conservatives' scare tactics haven't really worked.

 

[Dolph]

Still heading for a hung-parliament though. The Conservatives' scare tactics haven't really worked.

Or alternatively the ongoing biasing of the constituencies is working really well...

 

[robgmun]

LOL i see they went ahead with Labours PPB, they might have well have thrown in the bin to be honest, nobody will believe a word from anything Labour tonight at the very least

 

[[TBR]MadMark]

Imo he thought the mic was off/or he forgot he was wearing it, either way what he said is obviously what he thought. If he thinks that about a stout Labour supporter what does he think of the rest of us? Politicians sit cocooned in Westminster, they have'nt got a clue as to the actual thoughts or mood of the general public nor do they really care, and when someone expesses concerns about a political hot potatoe such as immigration she is labeled a bigot. If he had'nt been caught out he wouldnt have apologised, going to her house was just a massive damage limitation exercise.

 

[Efour]

Tonight's debate is going to be "amusing" on a schoolboy humour level to say the least.

TBH it could have been any of the leaders that made this mistake, Im personally sure they are all as deviant and sneaky as each other, it was just a shame it was Mr Brown that had it happen cos this will have officially killed the new and floating voters chance of backing Labour, unfairly too.

 

[Scania]

LOL