One of the worst pieces of motoring related journalism ive had the misfortune to read

Fr0dders · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:16

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2010/04/what_f1s_future_means_for_the.html

The whole article is a farce. Comments

This one made me laugh

All very appealing in its own right, but F1's involvement is key here, for it will help the road-car manufacturers popularise the new technology, making it more acceptable and attractive - in much the same way as semi-automatic gearboxes, pioneered in F1, are now increasingly common and desirable in road cars.

Missed the Subaru / Mitsubishi turbocharged phenomenon did we ?

rypt · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:19

And forgot about how having turbo power seems to add plenty to insurance costs compared to NA power in some cases

Sirrel Squirrel · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:23

He's not on about the big turbo's though, sounds like he's on about the small turbo's/chargers you get in certain 1.4/1.6 VAG engines and other small engined cars.

rypt · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:27

Yes, but a 300bhp Turbo car is often more to insure than a 300bhp NA car

Janesy B · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:28

rypt said:
Yes, but a 300bhp Turbo car is often more to insure than a 300bhp NA car

Any figures to back that up?

peterattheboro · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:30

It's not the worst thing I've ever read. The worst piece of motoring journalism goes to anything produced by MSN Cars.

Firestar_3x · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:46

All very appealing in its own right, but F1's involvement is key here, for it will help the road-car manufacturers popularise the new technology, making it more acceptable and attractive

Erm what... the BBC speak of this turbocharging as something thats never been done before in road cars, or thats my take on it!

rypt · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:50

Janesy B said:
Any figures to back that up?

Compare a say brand new Evo X with an imported Mustang

Firestar_3x · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:51

rypt said:
Compare a say brand new Evo X with an imported Mustang

LOLZ

jellybeard999 · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:52

Weren't F1 cars turbo charged in the 70s or 80s, along with rally cars... it's not really new technology, in fact, it's probably older than that even.

Django x2 · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:55

What is this witchcraft they speak of.....

NathanE · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:58

Energy recovery systems like KERS is the new technology being talked about.

The article really isn't that bad.

It will be interesting to see how much horsepower they can reliably extract from a 4-pot 1.8L with turbos. And then how much performance they can put on top of that using KERS.

Have to remember that the KERS we saw in 2009 was severely limited. The FIA capped it to 6 seconds per lap, which is silly. If they remove that cap (or increase it A LOT) then it will be great for the sport and innovation.

These are the sort of regulations that will tempt auto-makers back into F1. I can see VAG wanting a piece of this action for example.

Dup · 29 Apr 2010 at 11:58

YAY! Turbos!

Anyway, I think they were trying to make a point about KERS type systems in road cars but it sounds like they're banging on about turbos. The point is that we're going to see a lot more low pressure FI cars with smaller engines in cars that would normally have a 2.0l+ NA engine.

MikeHiow · 29 Apr 2010 at 12:04

What I find ironic about this all, is that manufacturers have been moving to smaller, yet turbo charged engines for a while now.

Corsa VXR, Mini, 1.4 TFSI VAG motors to name a few, but I guess as someone already suggested, this started with Imprezas and Evos.

Cars are already in development with a similar energy regeneration and electric motor system, the MK3 RS is supposed to be a 4 Pot, 2L up front, with the rear wheels driven by an electric motor.

Housey · 29 Apr 2010 at 12:08

1977 was when Turbo's went mainstream really in F1.

rypt · 29 Apr 2010 at 12:09

MikeHiow said:
What I find ironic about this all, is that manufacturers have been moving to smaller, yet turbo charged engines for a while now.

Corsa VXR, Mini, 1.4 TFSI VAG motors to name a few, but I guess as someone already suggested, this started with Imprezas and Evos.

Cars are already in development with a similar energy regeneration and electric motor system, the MK3 RS is supposed to be a 4 Pot, 2L up front, with the rear wheels driven by an electric motor.

It started with Group B rally

Firestar_3x said:
LOLZ

What's so funny? Both are similar weight and similar power

MikeHiow · 29 Apr 2010 at 12:10

I was talking road cars, rypt.

Housey · 29 Apr 2010 at 12:10

The fact is F1 is the public face of motorsport, most of the technologies we see in F1 were actually used in other forumulas many years before.

paradigm · 29 Apr 2010 at 12:12

rypt said:
What's so funny? Both are similar weight and similar power

And completely different and therefore incomparable.

rypt · 29 Apr 2010 at 12:14

paradigm said:
And completely different and therefore incomparable.

Not really, similar power, similar weight, similar number of seats... different number of doors.