water cooling. what else do i need.

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Ok so going to try my hand at water cooling, but going to go s/h for now.

only doing a cpu loop for the moment till i can decide/afford what cards im going to get although most likely to be the gtx 275

So been offered these... Some may say the rad is to big but i want it to handle the gtx and maybe two later on
XSPC Dual Bay Reservoir Pump
http://www.xspc.biz/baypump750.php

D-Tek fuzion V2
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/d-tekfuzionv2cpublock.aspx

XSPC RS240
http://www.xspc.biz/rs240black.php

now here is were i am undecided,
do i go for Arctic Cooling Arctic F12 which is 57cfm, 25db on 100% or a Scythe Gentle Typhoon which is 50 cfm but 21db at 100%
also the artic has pwm plug were as the scythe has molex.

then other bits to complete
1/2" tubing, with anti-kink coils
fan controller only need a single one for rad fans as front and rear case fans will be controlled by mobo.
Non Conductive liquid.(PrimoChill or feser...maybe something else?)
any other things?

Also what are those fittings that have the screw type bit on them to securely fix the hose to the barb
 
If you plan to cool gfx down the line the RX model of xspc rads may be better for you, as they are thicker, just something to think about.

The fittings you are thinking of are called compression fittings, they cost alitte bit more then normal barbs, but are generally considered the best to use, but can be a pain at first.

Another option may be to use 1/2" barbs and 7/16" tubing, which is an extremely tight fit. You have to heat up the end with hot water before placing over the barb, but when cooled it is an extremely tight fit, just another option to think about.
 
If you get 7/16'' tubing then its a tight enough fit over 1/2'' barbs to not require clips.

Your rad is fine for a CPU loop but may struggle with a GTX275 as well, not sure how hot they run but if its anywhere near a 295 it wont cope. Im currently building an i5 and GTX 260 loop on a 240 rad, my GPU sits in the high 50's though and ive gone for a GPU only block, not full cover.

Your pump is fine for a CPU loop but again will most likely struggle with 2 GPU blocks as well, a good pump is a must really.

As for coolant, de-ionised water is good to start, if you want to go with a fesser etc stick to clear fluids, dyes will seperat in time an block up your water blocks
 
so apart from the limitations, is that list ok for now, to be honest i may go for air cooling on the gpu's just havent thought that far ahead

cpu is 31c idle and 42c load

some thing else i considered is go bigger, get it all ready for the Q6xx and gtx card?
 
Rather than splashing out on expensive pre made super duper coolant for your system just pop along to your local halfords and buy a 5L can of distilled water and a cheap bottle of anti freeze.

The distilled water is non conductive and the anti freeze kills any growth.

I've used in in my system for years without any problems and 5L will keep you going for an eternity.
 
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that's mad, you would have thought a product solely made to go though water cooling systems clog it up.

is this what you mean?

10ml PT PHN Nuke Concentrated-Biocide
 
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mmj_uk said:
Yep that's it I got the PHN version as it seems to be specifically designed for use with distilled water.
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ok cheers ill book mark that or look for it on ebay


what if i go for 2 x 120 rads that way i can have one at the rear and above the cd drive mounted to the top of the case? ive not seen dual rad designs so just a guess if this possible
 
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sorry to go on, if i go with a "external pump" is this any good for a res

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and i suppse something like this will be to small for my reqerments

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ThermalTake-CL-W0175-PW850i-ProWater-Liquid-Cooling-NEW-/160245222787?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Computing_ComputerComponents_Fans_Heatsinks_SR&hash=item254f5c0d83#ht_2272wt_1165
 
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That res is fine, and is used aby a lot of people, most would replace those plastic barbs with metal ones though.

That kit you linked to is ok, but realisticly the H50 would do the same job personally.

It all depends on what case you are using for how the rads will work.

I'll edit this post with a pic of my water cooling in my CM 590, not a case reknowned for its watercooling capability.

As you can see below, that is the only way i could add a 240 rad into my case, and u can just see my data hard drive is on the floor of the case upside down lol, my SSD is hidden away so that can't be see.

The rad is a thermochill so is if i remember right 55-60mm thick, so not one of the thin ones.

In that loop is the bay res (pump inside it) the rad, and cpu block.

So the harddrive bays are allways an option if your case is anything like mine, if not then maybe 2 120's may be a better option, or even reconsidering a new case.

The new CM 690 II is nice for water and not overly expensive.

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i was thinking of having my rad either externally on top with the fan blowing up wards or on the front like yours but would be a bit annoying having them blowing outwards, yours look to be blowing in,

what does the temps in side get like?

the case im using is a old one, but is ideal, i could go and buy a fantastic once totaly suitble but at the end of the day its still a case!

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its like the white one in the picture, but ive removed the front and im replacing it with a piece of sheet metal for a flush front, with the holes cut for the dvd drive and card reader in place of the floppy drive. then i will use a round rocker switch for the power switch

theres more then enoth space in that case for my needs, plus it has a nice open area instead of the 3.5" racks like most cases have. instead, 3 3.5" bays and a nice bay for a card reader which is out my old acer which i have confirmed working on this board, unfortanly the usb unit dosnt work but then the card reader has one, and all my leads like mu ipod touch, phone usb lead, keyboard, etc sits at the back and the front only ever got used for the ocasonal usage of a flash drive
 
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Temps i get are and bare in mind this is with those 2 fans spinning at 500rpm most of the time, and 1 fan on the back same make as those 2 also spinning at 500rpm. My cpu and clock is in my sig.

Day time temps:
Cpu idles from 25-30c
Cpu gaming from 35-40c
Cpu prime 40-45c
Mobo 30-40c

Night time temps:
Cpu idles from 15-20c
Cpu gaming from 30-35c
Cpu prime 35-40c
Mobo 25-30c


These are overal cpu temps taken from speedfan and HWmonitor. My mobo temp has risen by i would say 2/3c since iv had my cooling this way, but that is only to be expected as im bringing cool air in from the front, but heating it up abit before it reaches the other stuff.

Hope this helps, or even gives ideas.
 
is this on water cooling? sounds good

i got around 28 idle to 41/42 load in prime

games barely touch 35.

but since upping the voltage on the vcore by 0.1 volts to 1.328 and the fsb from 1090 to 1110 its now

34 idle and 53 load

which is a bit extreme to me so not sure, i was happy with the 28/42 temps
might see if lowering the voltage back down changes any thing then run stability test,
they've come back 100% every time any way

shame i cant get past 1110 at any settings, but think/been told its possibly my crappy ram!
 
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Note that they are overall cpu temps, i have stuck cores for anything below 38c, so i can't tell what my cores are unless i really really stress my cpu, and even when using IBT the highest iv seen my cores are 41c lol.

Yeh those temps are with the following.

Thermochill PA120.2 as in pic, single bay res/pump combo, EK Supreme LT Waterblock, 1/2" barbs with 7/16" tubing.

Since switching to this iv knocked a good 10c off my load temps, even on the warmest of days, like today for example its fairly warm/hot, and not much wind where i am, and im currntly F@H with temps of 42/43 on the cpu, but i used to game at those temps, so i keep my fans both at 500rpm still.

Oh yeh before i forget that rad stand that is used to help the rad stay upright had to be cut abit to fit, just letting u know if ur planning anything similar.
 
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Seems good. Also it'll be a few years b4 I go to the "I" core my goal for this build is the ram, a Q6 or 9 CPU maybe a 3ghz one and a dual gtx gpu set up,
then got to see if I can upgrade 32 vista to 64 with a w7 upgrade disc,
want 64 purely to use 4gb then 8gb later on
 
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