Poll: 2nd Leaders debate - Live tonight at 8pm on BBC news and SKY news

Who will you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 50 9.0%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 245 43.9%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 227 40.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 36 6.5%
  • Total voters
    558
  • Poll closed .
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Cool Breeze said:
Yes well under Labour, you've been top of any priority for 13 years, so now its time for England and our people to have some good times.

Yes I'm on about Free elderly care , free prescriptions etc etc.
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Scotland is given a pot of money and within certain limits (i.e. the derogated areas) can spend it as they wish - the people in power in Scotland have chosen to spend it on education/healthcare/the elderly but that means less money to spend on other things. England is entirely free to do the same but for whatever reason the priorities have been different.

Cool Breeze said:
Sick of this country being run by bloody Scots!!
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You need to have a word with the party/parties who keep electing them to positions of power.
 
@ Semi-pro

What Like Labour.....?

Exactly my point , if we are a united kingdom then all this should apply accross the UK. If the Scots want their own parliment and wales for that matter then they can stand on their own with their own money and get on with it.

Where do you think their money comes from now ???

And with regards to being run by Scots where do you think MR's Brown and Blairs roots are ????
 
Hatter The Mad said:
They all use random sampling and fairly similar collection techniques - the difference between them are how they weight their data. If you visit their sites they show you how they do it.
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Oh! They publish their weightings? I didn't realise that. Thanks Hatter :)

(edit) Having looked, it's a little light on detail but still interesting, I also found this interesting PDF discussing the differences in the polling companies, but it's from last election so may be out of date.
 
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Mr Jack said:
Yeah, that's one of the possibilities - another is collection technique - but I don't know why ComRes seems to differ from the others in the way they're doing this. Maybe they're weighting for likelyhood to vote, or not weighting or something :confused:
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Interestingly the Poll of Polls shows both Labour and Libdems on 28% and Conservative still 7 points ahead on 35%.

Going by previous results, the YouGov polls have the best accuracy.
 
Cool Breeze said:
@ Semi-pro

What Like Labour.....?
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Yes, you should complain to Labour about their elected leaders and their propensity for electing Scots to positions of power. Although the Liberal Democrats have been guilty of a couple of Scottish leaders as well.

Cool Breeze said:
Exactly my point , if we are a united kingdom then all this should apply accross the UK. If the Scots want their own parliment and wales for that matter then they can stand on their own with their own money and get on with it.

Where do you think their money comes from now ???
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This isn't exactly the ideal thread and it has been discussed extensively before but the oil/gas money may or may not help pay for a significant proportion of the costs - boundary redrawings to favour English claims notwithstanding. Edinburgh is also one of the largest financial centres in Europe after London so maybe Scotland wouldn't do too badly.

Cool Breeze said:
And with regards to being run by Scots where do you think MR's Brown and Blairs roots are ????
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I'm perfectly aware of the roots of Messrs Brown and Blair - however you have my blessings to at least claim Mr Blair as English - he has spent the signficant proportion of his life in England. ;)
 
semi-pro waster said:
Scotland is given a pot of money and within certain limits (i.e. the derogated areas) can spend it as they wish - the people in power in Scotland have chosen to spend it on education/healthcare/the elderly but that means less money to spend on other things. England is entirely free to do the same but for whatever reason the priorities have been different.
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That's not right. Scotland have a devolved parliament who address their funding expenditure, England have no such body and are dependent on Westminster, England do not have an extra pot of money given to them as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do under the Barnett Formula.

Scotland have £1500 per capita extra funding than England, so they can fund the extra services the Scots enjoy, the same can be said for Wales, and Northern Ireland have security measures that no-one else has so most of their money goes there.
 
Cool Breeze said:
And with regards to being run by Scots where do you think MR's Brown and Blairs roots are ????
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Oh come on, Blair and Brown were and are the Prime Minister of the UK, and as such, can be from anywhere in the UK. The Scottish Parliament is a parliament for Scotland only... It's perfectly reasonable.
 
naffa said:
Oh come on, Blair and Brown were and are the Prime Minister of the UK, and as such, can be from anywhere in the UK. The Scottish Parliament is a parliament for Scotland only... It's perfectly reasonable.
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I would agree, although they will have vested interests in a devolved/independent Scotland. We have seen the effect of this.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Yes, you should complain to Labour about their elected leaders and their propensity for electing Scots to positions of power. Although the Liberal Democrats have been guilty of a couple of Scottish leaders as well.
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I don't think that the leaders regional nationality within the UK matters, the fact that we have devolved powers within a Sovereign Single State is however cause for concern, especially when they are funded inequally.

A funding system based on need woulod be fairer, and should be applied across the UK equally.


semi-pro waster said:
This isn't exactly the ideal thread and it has been discussed extensively before but the oil/gas money may or may not help pay for a significant proportion of the costs - boundary redrawings to favour English claims notwithstanding. Edinburgh is also one of the largest financial centres in Europe after London so maybe Scotland wouldn't do too badly.
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Scotland currently overspend their alleged oil revenues by 30%, so that old chestnut is meaningless, as is claims of Scottish oil anyway, as Scotland is not an independent nation and has no independent claim to any reserves regardless of boundaries. The Oil belongs to the UK, not Scotland.



semi-pro waster said:
I'm perfectly aware of the roots of Messrs Brown and Blair - however you have my blessings to at least claim Mr Blair as English - he has spent the signficant proportion of his life in England. ;)
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I feel it's time to put away this petty scabbling between Scots, Welsh, English and whoever else. We are the United kingdom, we are all British regardless of what region we were born in. When we can accept this we will be a stronger and less divided nation.
 
naffa said:
Oh come on, Blair and Brown were and are the Prime Minister of the UK, and as such, can be from anywhere in the UK. The Scottish Parliament is a parliament for Scotland only... It's perfectly reasonable.
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No absolute tosh, ok if scotland and wales and NI were governed by westminster then you would have a case. It's like saying France has a German priminister and Frence taxs end up in Germany and they have perks the Frence don't just like what is happennig in the UK.

Any way I'm ranting. I just think that a PM with his interests closer to home would benefit this country and the UK more.

I mean for gods sake Blair was lining himself up for President of Europe they guy probably thought he could walk on water....
 
I might have a UK passport but I'm English not British, you serously think that all the imigrants that have UK passports think they're British Deep down? Not likely!!

You wait next world war you won't see any foreigners hang around this country if we get invaded of bombed like in WW2 Passport or not they'll be gone like a flash.
 
ITV last night had smacks of rupert murdoch and the the news corp influence all over it, it was basically the daily mail on TV. I won't trust anything out their mouths from now on to do with this election. The fact they used a comres result too showed smacks of bias along with the text spoken by the anchor man / woman
 
Cool Breeze said:
No absolute tosh, ok if scotland and wales and NI were governed by westminster then you would have a case.
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They are governed by Westminster...

Gaidin109 said:
Interestingly the Poll of Polls shows both Labour and Libdems on 28% and Conservative still 7 points ahead on 35%.

Going by previous results, the YouGov polls have the best accuracy.
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YouGov tend to overstate support for Labour by one or two percentage points. It's something to do with overestimating Labour support in Scotland which then has a knock-on effect on UK polls.

We'll see tonight how much of an effect, if any, 'bigot-gate' has had on opinion when YouGov publish their daily poll.
 
Cool Breeze said:
You wait next world war you won't see any foreigners hang around this country if we get invaded of bombed like in WW2 Passport or not they'll be gone like a flash.
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You are aware of the masses of foreign troops that fought for the British during WW2 aren't you? You are also aware of a reasonable number of foreign born soldiers currently serving in the British Army aren't you? I am assuming you are also aware that the last British Army soldier to be awarded the VC was foreign?

If you are aware of all of the above why would you suggest that the "foreigners" would all leave the country like a flash when the evidence suggests that they too would do their bit?
 
RDM said:
You are aware of the masses of foreign troops that fought for the British during WW2 aren't you? You are also aware of a reasonable number of foreign born soldiers currently serving in the British Army aren't you? I am assuming you are also aware that the last British Army soldier to be awarded the VC was foreign?

If you are aware of all of the above why would you suggest that the "foreigners" would all leave the country like a flash when the evidence suggests that they too would do their bit?
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Yes I am aware of this, And those that choose to fight with the British Army should be comended and rewarded of course they should. Maybe a bit of national service would proove my point.

And whats all this Aren't you **** don't go making it personal pal, I'm just expressing an opinoin here. Freedom of speech it's one of the one things we still have just now!
 
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