Drug decriminalisation, your views.

[BloodyL]

A future fair for all?, pull the other one.
Someone wants to go and buy some alcohol... no problems
Someone wants to go and buy some cigarettes... no problems
Someone wants to go and buy some weed... you dirty filthy criminal, you are statistically linked to other crimes and anti social behaviour.

 

[Energize]

Legalisation is long overdue, so many people have difficulty in obtaining medications they so desperately need because they are controlled substances, and many die from the effects of alcohol when it could be substituted with a much safer equivalent like GHB.

 

[Meridian]

Everytime a thread like this starts (and I give it 48 hours at most before someone posts something that gets it deleted, like all the others) I think it should come with a survey:


1) I take drugs and think they should be legalised.
2) I don't take drugs and think they should be legalised.
3) I take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.
4) I don't take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.

plus of course:

5) Pancake.



Because it seems to me that that most of the posters supporting legalising just want their hobby un-banned. I have no problem with self-interest, but I do when it tries to masquerade as "for the good of the country".



M

 

[Energize]

1) I take drugs and think they should be legalised.
2) I don't take drugs and think they should be legalised.
3) I take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.
4) I don't take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.

plus of course:

5) Pancake.



Because it seems to me that that most of the posters supporting legalising just want their hobby un-banned. I have no problem with self-interest, but I do when it tries to masquerade as "for the good of the country".

M

What about those of us prescribed them for medical reasons?

 

[KNiVES]

If people want to take drugs, they will take drugs. The vast majority simply don't care about the legislation, and the sad truth is, all it's ever done was criminalize a hell of a lot of young people needlessly.

Virtually every single first world nations' drugs policies have been thoroughly stinking and utterly retarded with no consistency or logic to it whatsoever. It's always been an issue that's decided by knee-jerk reactions and media frenzy.

So I, and many others will continue not to give a damn about what the law may say, because it doesn't make sense, it's incomprehensible, it's got no pattern or logic to the categorization and it's worthless.

The issue will only begin to receive respect by the people that it revolves around - the users - when it respects them first.

 

[trojan698]

Everytime a thread like this starts (and I give it 48 hours at most before someone posts something that gets it deleted, like all the others) I think it should come with a survey:


1) I take drugs and think they should be legalised.
2) I don't take drugs and think they should be legalised.
3) I take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.
4) I don't take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.

plus of course:

5) Pancake.



Because it seems to me that that most of the posters supporting legalising just want their hobby un-banned. I have no problem with self-interest, but I do when it tries to masquerade as "for the good of the country".



M

Care to explain this "masquerading" with some intelligent debate? Have you read the articles? You can't reduce an argument/thread to 4 viewpoints and dismiss it as self-interest, without at least indulging in some discussion. That's just rude.

 

[yermum]

By decriminalising drugs it would allow users to exchange needles plus they could find clean, safe places to indulge themselves and get medical help when required without fear of conviction or questioning.

I am sure that organised crime would have to seek other sources of finance as drug sales would be handled by registered distibutors. Also, hopefully, women (and men) would not have to turn to prostitution to support their habit.

 

[4T5]

Actually you can as diamorphine is used for similar uses as morphine. There have been several trials in prescribing diamorphine to addicts with possitive results both reduction in crime and street drug use. It is the underground nature of heroin which causes many of the problems as it is impossible to control the dose and it could be cut with anything. With a controlled doses diamorphine is actually pretty safe.

Nice to see somebody that actually knows what they are talking about.

Legalise it & tax it & control the purity, There is far to much money going to Criminal organisations when it should be going to sort the problem out.

 

[4p]

I come from a proper drug run area and i currently live in one, Salford.

Someone mentioned above about the underground nature of it all, thats very true from my experience. Plant feed (recently made illegal) is even more prolific now its illegal.. I get business cards send through my door..

Decriminalizeing (is that a word O_O) would be better i reckon, the problem with these decision makers is that they haven't had first hand experience of what actually happens at some drug deals :/

brb editing phone number out

 

[Andy_82]

Nice to see somebody that actually knows what they are talking about.

Legalise it & tax it & control the purity, There is far to much money going to Criminal organisations when it should be going to sort the problem out.

I think making diamorphine available to addicts would reduced the cost of policing, the cost to the community and ultimately because diamorphine is relatively cheap to produce the cost to the nhs would be reduced as allmost all of the health problems related to IV heroin use is caused by the forcing of users underground.

Addicts also are not keen on methadone for several reasons, it has quite different properties, it has a very long half life but that is varies widely depending on the individual which causes problems getting the right dose. Also, the withdrawal from methadone is much longer than morphine and diamorphine. Drug use is a huge problem I think it should be treated as a disease in its own right rather than a 'character flaw' which obviously pushes people even further away from asking for help due to the stigma.

 

[BloodyL]

Thorpy: Is it me or does that card say "Comsumption" ?

 

[4p]

Aye, says a lot really.

It's so easy to get drugs and I'll be honest, the police do NOT care about cannabis around here.

 

[Cr0fty]

I find it quite funny that myself, and most of my friends smoke weed. There have been numerous Friday nights where we have all sat around and had a smoke as opposed to going to the town centre and getting horrifically drunk. It really shows the difference in culture when, instead of someone's mum coming in the room to find everyone getting rowdy and drunk; they are sat there watching a documentary on the planet and having a chat.

Who would you rather encounter in the dead of night: A group of stoned youths or a group of drunken youths?

In all likelihood the stoners will avoid you, whilst the drunkards will actively seek a reaction in some way.

There is, of course, a culture of excess in England. However, excessive smoking simply leads to sleeping, so I fail to see the problem. Of course there is the schizophrenia debate, yet there are countless downsides to alcohol and excessive consumption.

It is all the media hype and political controversy which comes about with legalising or decriminalizing, not the straight scientific facts, otherwise we would all enjoy our Friday nights in a coffee shop!

Something does need to be done, though, as cuts keep getting smaller and smaller - And as I am merely an 18 year old who still lives with his parents, I am currently unable to harvest my own fruits of labour, and as such am a part of the criminal underworld!

 

[4p]

I find it quite funny that myself, and most of my friends smoke weed. There have been numerous Friday nights where we have all sat around and had a smoke as opposed to going to the town centre and getting horrifically drunk. It really shows the difference in culture when, instead of someone's mum coming in the room to find everyone getting rowdy and drunk; they are sat there watching a documentary on the planet and having a chat.

Who would you rather encounter in the dead of night: A group of stoned youths or a group of drunken youths?

In all likelihood the stoners will avoid you, whilst the drunkards will actively seek a reaction in some way.

There is, of course, a culture of excess in England. However, excessive smoking simply leads to sleeping, so I fail to see the problem. Of course there is the schizophrenia debate, yet there are countless downsides to alcohol and excessive consumption.

It is all the media hype and political controversy which comes about with legalising or decriminalizing, not the straight scientific facts, otherwise we would all enjoy our Friday nights in a coffee shop!

Something does need to be done, though, as cuts keep getting smaller and smaller - And as I am merely an 18 year old who still lives with his parents, I am currently unable to harvest my own fruits of labour, and as such am a part of the criminal underworld! Hell, I work in M&S and half the bloody staff are!

Done.

 

[Raumarik]

Whats your problem with alcohol, drinking hasn't evolved in years unless you count someone coining the phrase "Binge drinking" to replace "A fun night out with the lads"

Garbage, these days kids are drinking earlier without any parental guidance. It's not simply a lads night out anymore, many of them frankly can't handle it and become utter plonkers. Do you actually think it'd be fine if they were on drugs as well?

Our society is all wrong, many other countries can drink without getting smashed, we seem to do it purely to get smashed. A lads night out use to be about enjoying the drink, now we see more people simply getting drunk as quickly as possible and drinking the strongest alcohol they can get to speed that process along - There's no enjoyment in the act, it's all about the result.

Translate that into drugs, same attitude would mean a lot more harm. We'd need to do a lot of studies before we consider decriminalising drugs, nevermind legalising them especially with regards to the effects it will have on the wider society.

 

[jp_bl_68]

Everytime a thread like this starts (and I give it 48 hours at most before someone posts something that gets it deleted, like all the others) I think it should come with a survey:


1) I take drugs and think they should be legalised.
2) I don't take drugs and think they should be legalised.
3) I take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.
4) I don't take drugs and don't think they should be legalised.

plus of course:

5) Pancake.

Sounds about right. If a mod's following this then perhaps they could put this to a vote.

 

[SlyReaper]

I'm all for decriminalising drugs. With them illegal, there can be no control or regulation. Dealers can mix it up with whatever crap they fancy. If they were made legal, you could enforce quality standards for a start. You wouldn't have to buy off some shady dealer. You could even tax it.

I don't understand why drugs are still illegal tbh. Alcohol is more harmful than a large number of illegal drugs. And when government scientists point this out, they get fired or forced to resign...

 

[arknor]

im all for legalising cannabis, it can be a huge revenue for the goverment if they tax it and at the moment a lot of it is sprayed with fibreglass , mixed with glass beads etc so it apears to contain lots of thc crystals and it adds weight.

its very dangerous for people to be smoking fibreglass and glass etc

http://www.gritweed.co.uk/

with the goverment looking for more taxes cannabis has to be an almost perfect solution even if they taxed it at 100% because its so cheap to grow the goverment could make a fortune

 

[Burnsy2023]

I come from a proper drug run area and i currently live in one, Salford.

Someone mentioned above about the underground nature of it all, thats very true from my experience. Plant feed (recently made illegal) is even more prolific now its illegal.. I get business cards send through my door..

Decriminalizeing (is that a word O_O) would be better i reckon, the problem with these decision makers is that they haven't had first hand experience of what actually happens at some drug deals :/

brb editing phone number out

Might be worth forwarding that to your local police force.

 

[trojan698]

Translate that into drugs, same attitude would mean a lot more harm. We'd need to do a lot of studies before we consider decriminalising drugs, nevermind legalising them especially with regards to the effects it will have on the wider society.

The point of decriminalisation is not to condone its' use, but to shift the criminalisation away from the users who lets face it will use anyway, to the dealers. And to help the users. There's a lot that can be done with regards to educating people on using if they must or choose to, and therapy is a lot more proactive than jailtime which just ignores the problem, costs a lot of money, and doesn't solve anything.