Uncharted 2: Among Thieves is the greatest video game sequel ever made

to call it the best sequel ever is like having the most retarded opinion ever. Just keep it to yourself since it's terrible. I don't care if you like the game, that's fair enough but the statement is flawed on many levels.
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You're not a very nice person.
 
so because it didnt significantly change from the first, that automatically makes a game like DMC3, which is an out and out button bash a thon, a better sequel?

does a game radically have to change the format for you to consider it a decent game?
 
james.miller said:
so because it didnt significantly change from the first, that automatically makes a game like DMC3, which is an out and out button bash a thon, a better sequel?

does a game radically have to change the format for you to consider it a decent game?
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Yes because it actually developed it's series mechanics and gameplay at least. As a sequel it made the series progress to new heights and was very well received. Uncharted didn't do anything new unless we count train scenes.

No it doesn't have to radically change but it has to do what it does better and I played Uncharted 2 right after uncharted 1 and as I mentioned it actually got it's mechanics to become worse with fiddly climbing mechanics compared to the original and turning the hand to hand combat to a shallow series of pressing square. The plot felt almost isolated from UC 1 so didn't develop, the characters didn't develop, the mechanics got worse and the enemy became more annoying bullet sponges. Does none of these points highlight that it's possibly not the best sequel ever or did the graphics gloss it all over for you?
I never said it was bad, I said it wasn't the best sequel ever and that's true since it failed to advance anything so is not on the level of game sequels that did advance things. Fair point no? And for the record it was never great enough to automatically be considered the best sequel ever by just having a sequel.
 
so by that rational, if uncharted one was crap then uncharted two would be fantastic, despite the second one not actually changing?

because that's basically what you are saying - a sequel should be judged on how much better it is over the previous game, not how good that sequel actually is. And because it isnt all that different to the first, you seem to look down very heavily on it, despite it having a better metacritic score than say...dmc3.

I never said it was bad, I said it wasn't the best sequel ever and that's true since it failed to advance anything so is not on the level of game sequels that did advance things. Fair point no? And for the record it was never great enough to automatically be considered the best sequel ever by just having a sequel.
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despite have a very high meta score. but anyway, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I think SP in uncharted two is fantastic - one of the best games ive played. Compared to mass effect 2, no i dont agree its the best sequel ever. But thats my opinion, and i wont go calling you or the op morons, or talk to either of you like crap just because i dont agree with you.
 
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james.miller said:
so by that rational, if uncharted one was crap then uncharted two would be fantastic, despite the second one not actually changing?

because that's basically what you are saying - a sequel should be judged on how much better it is over the previous game, not how good that sequel actually is. And because it isnt all that different to the first, you seem to look down very heavily on it, despite it having a better metacritic score than say...dmc3.



despite have a very high meta score. but anyway, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I think SP in uncharted two is fantastic - one of the best games ive played. Compared to mass effect 2, no i dont agree its the best sequel ever. But thats my opinion, and i wont go calling you or the op morons, or talk to either of you like crap just because i dont agree with you.
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If it improved it's game mechanics then yes it would be a good sequel, but there's more to it than that ofcourse yet it didn't stand out as a better game so why would it be a great sequel? Maybe you disagree but I thought it was worse than the original so why would I call it a good sequel?
And why would uncharted 1 be crap but uncharted 2 fantastic if they don't change?

It doesn't have to be better than the original to be a good game, it has to be better than the original to be considered a best sequel ever though. I agree with your point it's a good sequel if it can retain the quality of the original but I pointed out why it didn't so how is that a relevant argument against mine or are we just arguing for the principal of arguing?

Well I've not talked to you like crap since your opinion was well thought out, but if I get poorly thought out and redundant statements then yes I'll debunk them. Sorry to the guy if I hurt his feelings by saying his one opinion was bad but all in all I atleast stuck to the argument and told him why he was wrong so showed some respect over just trolling or whatever.
 
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Nanoman said:
Do you think your opinion has some sort of power over other peoples opinions?
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such as?

his criticisms are valid, but it the amount it affects the gameplay i don't agree with - i just don't think they're anywhere near as detrimental as he does.

...but nobody has actually said why they dont agree with him. You could, to be fair, try a lot harder.


edit: never mind, you changed your post lol
 
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Nanoman said:
Do you think your opinion has some sort of power over other peoples opinions?
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No I just debate things, try it some time.

As for james.miller, don't get me wrong, I don't think the games are bad. I'd give both uncharted games an 8 and thats a good score even if not as much as other people would like but I've just stated those as good reasons why it's not the best sequel ever. It doesn't have the same effect in arguing it as a bad game at all and I admit that and didn't intend that.
 
Insanties_birth said:
I never said it was bad, I said it wasn't the best sequel ever and that's true since it failed to advance anything so is not on the level of game sequels that did advance things. Fair point no? And for the record it was never great enough to automatically be considered the best sequel ever by just having a sequel.
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Erm it contained a very polished MP component (including different co-op tasks) that the original game didnt have. The MP was surprisingly good considering everyone was just interested at the continuation of the SP storyline at the time...

Kudos to Naughty Dog tbfh...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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