Poll: The Last Leaders Debate – Live tonight at 2030 BST on BBC One

Who will you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 67 11.8%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 231 40.7%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 227 40.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 42 7.4%
  • Total voters
    567
  • Poll closed .
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Im voting conservative. I just hope people change their views about the lib dems. Theyre for gays and lesbians. As for Labour, they just want to keep spending tax payers money and keep saaying well worry about the national debt in a few years time. :/

The reason i choose conservatives is because ive always been a conserative person and have never really liked change. Every time conservatives come into power they have to clean up after labour. I mean.. times were a bit rocky when margaret thatcher was in power and i agree she made a big mistake with the closing of the mines and such but is was never as bad as labour in the last 13 years.
 
Using the calculator on the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8609989.stm) and no matter how I look at it, using the polls as a guideline, it looks like it'll be a hung parliament..

If the Lib Dem hype from typical (from what I've seen) local young supporters doesn't end up maturing into anything, I wonder where the votes will lie. I doubt they'd swing in Labours direction as all I've heard is they don't want Gordon back in, so it ends up being Conservative (only slightly) more than anything. I think Cons, Labour will be slightly higher than the % the polls are showing but hopefully keep the difference.
 
Demtwok said:
Rubbish, they allow Norway, and they allow Switzerland, both of which have shown that they are actually better off staying out of the EU. The UK has goods and trade that benefits Continental Europe and vice versa. The EU would have nothing to gain from breaking trade ties just because its people want out of a political federation that not one of us has had a vote in joining in the first place.
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and they joined awhile ago in different circumstances. It is not just political. We pay huge sums to the eu. One of the biggest net contributors.

Just because people have it, does not mean that offer is still on the table.
 
I honestly see myself spoiling the ballot this time around. For the record: I voted Labour last time and then later regretted it (don't have to explain why). The vote was moot though as a Tory MP won the seat.

Each party have their pros and cons obviously. As much as I despise Labour of late - namely for the erosion of civil liberties and poorly implemented policies in general - you do know where you stand with them. As annoying as Brown is, he could be a good man to see us through the difficulty to come. Likewise, the Tories are known for fixing the Labour mess, but many policies seem completely counter-intuitive and ill conceived.

I was originally thinking of voting Lib Dem before the Web 2.0. generation thought it was an X-Factor competition, but that was simply because I wanted to upset the system in anyway I could. I agree with Clegg on some major issues. However, I disgree with him more strongly on others. As silly as it is, I don't want to turn around and become another one of those sheep that voted Lib Dem because it was the 'cool' thing to do. Although, having said that... if the Liberals did manage to win a few more seats, I think that can only be a good thing as the two-party affair this country has seen for generations is doing it more harm than good.

I think it's now got to the point where no party speaks for me. A party somewhere between Tory and Liberals would suit me fine. You'd assume that this would be Labour, but we're not dealing with 'Labour' anymore, but rather NuLabour, who quite frankly don't know what they're doing half the time.

No one will admit to the cuts because it'll mean losing lots of public-sector votes, it's that simple. They are coming one way or another, it's inevitable. I told my reasoning for this to someone within the sector a year ago and she thought I was mad. We'll see my dear, don't say you weren't warned.

So, what am I left with? Greens? No thanks. After hearing them on the radio they sounded like fascist hippies (as much of an oxymoron as that is) without an iota of any common grounding. Any other 'big' fringe party? UKIP et al.? No thank you. I think their nationalistic anti-Europe stance is idiocy at best.

Locally, it's always been a safe Tory vote within this electoral ward, so I think the choice is effectively made for me anyway, but I still need to vote out of democractic principle. That said, I did manage to have a really good chat with the local Tory MP when I popped down to vote for the EMP and he was very interested in what I had to say and did admit that he didn't tow the party-line completely but knew it was his best chance at actually doing something, so if I do change my mind I will probably vote for him as opposed to any party figurehead.

If only we didn't have a party-based system and instead could vote accordingly for all the policies which we actually want, rather than trying to find a best-fit group.

Pancake it is.... unless I change my mind. :p

(I'm rather tired at the moment, so apologies if any of that is disjointed or confusing.)
 
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I've sussed the Lib Dems Imigration Amnesty policy and it's a good one :p



an amnesty that allows illegal immigrants to stay as long as they haven't committed a crime

I have worked out his sneaky plan



- All illegal immigrants please report to XYZ and as long as you have not committed a crime you can stay"

- Right Mr xxxxx , it appears you have committed a crime

- "Have I ?"

- yes, offences under the immigration act, on yer bike


sorry, just my devious mind at work :p
 
Rotty said:
I've sussed the Lib Dems Imigration Amnesty policy and it's a good one :p



an amnesty that allows illegal immigrants to stay as long as they haven't committed a crime

I have worked out his sneaky plan



- All illegal immigrants please report to XYZ and as long as you have not committed a crime you can stay"

- Right Mr xxxxx , it appears you have committed a crime

- "Have I ?"

- yes, offences under the immigration act, on yer bike


sorry, just my devious mind at work :p
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If they say:

"What crime did I commit?"

"Well, you want this amnesty right?"

"Yeah!"

"Well, it's for ILLEGAL immigrants, see!"
 
Quoted because everyone needs to read it.

I also posted it to the fb group but it got deleted within about 30secs.

Hatter The Mad said:
Oh Cleggy...


Trying to hide his euro policy
· Nick Clegg tries to hide his euro policy. In the debate, Nick Clegg said: ‘No I’m not advocating entry into the euro.’
· But last year, he thought the euro was an ‘anchor’. Last year, Nick Clegg told the Financial Times that the euro would ‘anchor’ countries against the ‘vulnerable exposure to international financial markets.’ (The Financial Times, 21 January 2010)
· And his manifesto advocates joining the euro. ‘We believe that it is in Britain’s long-term interest to be part of the euro.’ (Liberal Democrat Manifesto 2010, page 67)


Trying to hide his policy for an amnesty for 600,000 illegal immigrants
· Nick Clegg tries to hide his amnesty policy. ‘I'm not advocating an amnesty…’
· But Nick Clegg has previously called his policy a ‘selective amnesty’. ‘And most controversially in our proposals…also establishing a selective amnesty, if you like, a route to earned legalisation for the up to 600,000 people who have being living in this country invisibly, illegally, often exploited by unscrupulous employers and others.’ (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2007/sep/18/nick.clegg, approximately one minute into video)
· And his manifesto promises illegal immigrants an amnesty. ‘We will allow people who have been in Britain without the correct papers for ten years… live here long-term to earn their citizenship.’ (Liberal Democrat Manifesto 2010, page 76)


Trying to hide the facts about immigration from outside the EU
· Nick Clegg tries to hide facts about non-EU immigration to the UK. ‘You say numbers, can you now tell me, am I right or wrong that 80 per cent of people who come here come from the European Union…?’
· But official statistics show Nick Clegg is completely wrong. In 2008, net foreign migration was 251,000 of which 63,000 or 25 per cent was from the EU. Over the past five years the average has been 31 per cent (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Product.asp?vlnk=15053 Table 2.01a)


Trying to hide his benefits policy
· Nick Clegg tries to hide his real benefits policy. ‘We all agree benefits should be conditioned. We all agree they shouldn't be dished out for free if people refuse to take up work.’
· But his DWP spokesman says benefits should not be conditional. Asked about the Lib Dem benefits policy today, Lib Dem Work and Pensions Spokesman Steve Webb said: ‘[Questioner] “Just a very quick yes, no question. If somebody, long term unemployed, or, or even more recently, turns down the first job offer, will you do what the other two are doing which is remove their benefits after two weeks or after a month?” [Steve Webb]: “No we won’t because what we need to do is look at the demand for work, and there’s not really enough of that...”’ (Daily Politics, BBC 2, 29 April 2010)


Trying to hide his VAT bombshell on houses
· Nick Clegg tries to hide VAT bombshell on housing. ‘…the second thing we need to do is invest in the kind of things we need…Affordable housing...’
· But his manifesto promises to levy VAT on new homes. Liberal Democrats would make it more difficult for first-time buyers to get onto the housing ladder. They want to levy VAT on new homes, which currently is zero-rated: ‘We will equalise VAT on new build and repair.’ (Liberal Democrat Manifesto 2010, page 81)
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Nix said:
I honestly see myself spoiling the ballot this time around. For the record: I voted Labour last time and then later regretted it (don't have to explain why). The vote was moot though as a Tory MP won the seat.

Each party have their pros and cons obviously. As much as I despise Labour of late - namely for the erosion of civil liberties and poorly implemented policies in general - you do know where you stand with them. As annoying as Brown is, he could be a good man to see us through the difficulty too come. Likewise, the Tories are known for fixing the Labour mess, but many policies seem completely counter-intuitive and ill conceived.

I was originally thinking of voting Lib. Dem. before the Web 2.0. generation thought it was an X-Factor competition, but that was simply because I wanted to upset the system in anyway I could. I agree with Clegg on some major issues. However, I disgree with him more strongly on others. As silly as it is, I don't want to turn around and become another one of those sheep that voted Lib. Dem. because it was the 'cool' thing to do. Although, having said that... if the Liberals did manage to win a few more seats, I think that can only be a good thing as the two-party affair this country has seen for generations is doing it more harm than good.

I think it's now got to the point where no party speaks for me. A party somewhere between Tory and Liberals would suit me fine. You'd assume that this would be Labour, but we're not dealing with 'Labour' anymore, but rather NuLabour, who quite frankly don't know what they're doing half the time.

No one will admit to the cuts because it'll mean losing lots of public-sector votes, it's that simple. They are coming one way or another, it's inevitable. I told my reasoning for this to someone within the sector a year ago and she thought I was mad. We'll see my dear, don't say you weren't warned.

So, what am I left with? Greens? No thanks. After hearing them on the radio they sounded like fascist hippies (as much of an oxymoron as that is) without an iota of any common grounding. Any other 'big' fringe party? UKIP et al.? No thank you. I think their nationalistic anti-Europe stance is idiocy at best.

Locally, it's always been a safe Tory vote within this electoral ward, so I think the choice is effectively made for me anyway, but I still need to vote out of democractic principle; I think I'll spoil the ballot. That said, I did manage to have a really good chat with the local Tory MP when I popped down to vote for the EMP and he was very interested in what I had to say and did admit that he didn't tow the party-line completely but knew it was his best chance at actually doing something, so if I do change my mind I will probably vote for him as opposed to any party figurehead.

If only we didn't have a party-based system and instead could vote accordingly for all the policies which we actually want, rather than trying to find a best-fit group.

Pancake it is.... unless I change my mind. :p

(I'm rather tired at the moment, so apologies if any of that is disjointed or confusing.)
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After tonights debate and then question time after it I feel the same. All three of them have more holes in potential policy then I can turn a blind eye to. Cameron doesn't answer questions and just spins everything, clegg invents his own mini manifesto to win an argument and gordon appears more concerned with point scoring than actually sorting out the mess he is ultimately responsible for in the majority of voters eyes.

Even if I warm to david cameron by this time next week, I'd still have george osbourne as chancellor which I personally think would be disasterous. If I put faith in gordon I get alistair darling who can't even count according to his track record but if I take a punt on clegg I'd get vince cable who seems a lot more level headed then most MP's.

The choice is like being between a rock and a hard place at the moment and I might just strike through my ballot paper if I cannot make a firm choice.
 
Nix said:
I honestly see myself spoiling the ballot this time around. etc etc
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i agree exactly the same except i postal voted already. I live in ward were 2 merged and this has given conservatives such a huge lead that i really feel like my vote is a complete waste of time and statistically it is.

None of the parties tick enough boxes to warrant my vote outright.

It really should be time for electoral reform with proportional representation at least try it.

conservatives are gonna win for sure, maybe not with a majority then labour then libs. I would even be willing to see a hung parliament just to see what happens, i know that is twisted and stupid but that's really how unimpressed i am.

I voted Lib dem cos i know they wont get the seat for a fact... but i secretly hope enough other people feel the same as me and something comes of it, i may aswell have wiped my ass on the ballot paper tho.

local elections are easy residents association an alternative non party alined bunch they are decent enough for the area i live and have a proven track record!
 
As for the "being unable to answer questions" thing, it's political gambit. Read the manifestos.

Ultimately, it's better to dodge the question as it's inappropriate to commit (Cameron) than lie (Brown) or go against your own manifesto (Clegg).
 
I'm starting to think that a Hung Parliament might be the best to come of all this; hopefully get the best policies coming through. That said, a run on the market (stupid fickle traders) is something we definitely don't need or want at the moment. The only problem being of course, that we'd be stuck with Labour in the hot-seat and I just want them gone. They're on a knife's edge and they know it, but unless they're pushed they're still going to think they've got things politically under control.
 
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