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Do they have the same system as we do?
Why our electoral system is rubbish
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Do they have the same system as we do?
Is it the fiscal irresponsibility or the social authoritarianism that attracts you to Labour? The Tories are far closer to the lib dems than Labour are...
Different policies and programs benefit different areas of the country, and the population is far from evenly distributed. Scotland, for example, has less people than London, and adding birmingham and manchester together gives a greater population than the whole of wales...
Liberals also beleive in equal oppertunity though. Which from what i gather fro mthe conservatives in their history as well as its members which cameron often tries to hide during election time, all don't believe in.
I struggle to not doubt the real motives behind cameron and the torys. I used to think he was the real deal bringing about conservative reform. but tbh they seem the same old again.
What do you define as equal opportunity? Labour certainly don't believe in equal opportunities by most metrics, and where they do, they believe that they must come from state, rather than from the people, and wonder why it fails.
Is freedom more or less important for you than equal opportunity?
Is enforcing intolerance of certain behaviour via application of force different to enforcing tolerance of certain behaviour via the application of force?
And yet you'll happily vote for Labour who have proved just as financially incompetent and socially authoritarian as every other time they've been in government.
I'm not voting for labour....
And i beleive state funded organisations are a good thing if done properly. i like the BBC, i like the NHS, i like a lot of things about china (minus all that dictatorship killing lark)
so that is why i consider myself to be liberal and left.
I beleive it is possible to have high taxes and to spend big on public spending without getting rid of peoples rights.
I am against the theory that capitalism gives freedom and that greed and being able to keep your money is an example of liberalism and freedom
A country where we provide opportunity, ensure the public are safe and have a healthy lifestyle and that we don't prevent people from doing what they want is a good one.
Rich people can afford to not have their lives held back whilst contributing to such a society. I disagree with any policies where a multi millionare is dragged to such an extent he is limite dfrom doing something
But as the lib dems do not propose such a society i shall be backing them.
As i said, if you are a millionaire, you rarely spend even a scratch on what your assets are, therefore you can still be able to give, without it affecting what you'd have done anyhow. Its not stopping you doing what you want - freedom.
If you a born in a rough borough with a low league table positioning in schools, with no backing or funding for the area, you are caught in a vicious cycle - not freedom
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It's fairness. I don't support everything labour has done, nor will I, but I do feel that there is a real attempt to improve equity. I understand things haven't been improved at the rate I wanted, but I trust them to try, where as with the tories I don't. If someone tries to do the right thing and can't quite get there, I understand. If someone tries to do the wrong thing I avoid them, it seems simple to me.
Why should they give?
Its their money, they have not stolen it from anyone, why should they have to give up more of it, just because they are better at making money than someone else?
How is that "fair"?
For everything beyond the basic services that the government needs to provide it is theft though
the millionaire will pay more under a fair taxation system, there is no need or benefit to punishing the rich, and certainly no fairness in it...
It's theft unless it's not theft - what a load of claptrap
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No it really isn't you can be as rich or as poor as you like and you are still entitled to various parts of state assistance. So for example I could be very rich and critically ill needing millions of pounds worth of health insurance, and if this wasn't the UK I'd have to pay for it. The truth of the matter is that in the UK basic rights are defended critically health, if you are ill with no matter what, it might not be the latest drug, but you are helped no matter what your background or family wealth, and for that one reason I am proud of the UK.
I feel the same as the OP.
The likelihood of a Tory getting into power in Camden is all of 0
I'm not going to vote for a hung parliament nor am I going to vote just cos another party is there that isn't Labour, even if they have a better chance of winning a seat from Labour.
Vote for policy not party imho.
The likelihood of a Tory getting into power in Camden is all of 0
I'm not going to vote for a hung parliament nor am I going to vote just cos another party is there that isn't Labour, even if they have a better chance of winning a seat from Labour.
Vote for policy not party imho.
taking property without consent and depriving of use permantly is theft. the argument that when the state does it the act is ok is why it is legalized theft...
How is it not fair? they wouldnt have used it anyway? were not punishing them, if at any point a government was surpressing the rich / not allowing anyone to be then i would immediatley be against them.
People should be willing to give due to a thing called morals. Unfortunately a lot of people are greedy and don't appreciate that only about 10% of the time peoples riches are actually due to commitment and genuinley possessing a skill / natural intelligence that others don't
Some of the most uneducated and ignorant people i've come across are rich. ofcourse i can say the same for the poor, but my point is that an ideology where the rich have genuinley earnt it through a fair system is deluded, at the same time i don't wish it on them for their lives to be alterred with in anyway considering that in the current way the world is ran, they've gone about their business in a very fair and genuine way.
all i support is as you've said a 'fair tax system' something which i beleive torys come about 3rd in ranking out of the 3 main parties.
Not with a constitution and a supreme court to enforce it
yes it is.
You've just gone one further and expect possibly the most unusual government ever to implement the changes first.